Ever seen a Red Dukes of Hazzard clone ?

[ACUDANUT]

I saw one today. It was not Orange at all.

[Baldwinvette77]

i saw a blue one with a 50 star american flag and a "10" on the doors 

[A383Wing]

so that one was upside down in a ditch?

[Baldwinvette77]

so that one was upside down in a ditch?

... no 

[Daytona R/T SE]

I thought they were all "1975 Corvette Flame Red"

[Indygenerallee]

  "Corvette flame RED" is more Orange than "Hemi orange"!!!!

[Mike DC]

  
Yeah, there are two "Corvette Flame Red" shades, one from the late 60s and another from the mid-70s.

The GL shade was the yellower one from the 70s.  Also known as "Corvette Orange Flame."  It's pretty near the color of those reddish-orange 5 gallon buckets at Home Depot.  Sorta like a brighter version of the Hemi Orange engine (not body) paint shade.  

[Baldwinvette77]

 
Yeah, there are two "Corvette Flame Red" shades, one from the late 60s and another from the mid-70s.

The GL shade was the yellower one from the 70s.  Also known as "Corvette Orange Flame."  It's pretty near the color of those reddish-orange 5 gallon buckets at Home Depot.  Sorta like a brighter version of the Hemi Orange engine (not body) paint shade.  

Home depot buckets are 1975 corvette orange? Thats classy 

[areibel]

i saw a blue one with a 50 star american flag and a "10" on the doors 

That's a General Grant, someone's idea to make a Yankee version.. 

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Thankfully, no.

[Cooter]

Justy as with the "01" and "General Lee" Scripts back in the 80's when people had to attempt to paint 'em on, you give 100 people cars, and Not nare one of 'em are correct. THANK GOD for CrazyC's graphics. Now, even the most Dislexic dumbass can have the "correct" graphics. Now, if someone would just show them then correct way to mix red/orange paint.

"Hemi Orange" more mimics the Original first 5 episode's GL, while "That flame red" whatever, kinda makes the "California" cars look.

[skip68]

What color is yours Cooter?    I painted mine 69 hugger orange.   

[SUPERSTAR14]

Justy as with the "01" and "General Lee" Scripts back in the 80's when people had to attempt to paint 'em on, you give 100 people cars, and Not nare one of 'em are correct. THANK GOD for CrazyC's graphics. Now, even the most Dislexic dumbass can have the "correct" graphics. Now, if someone would just show them then correct way to mix red/orange paint.

"Hemi Orange" more mimics the Original first 5 episode's GL, while "That flame red" whatever, kinda makes the "California" cars look.

Cooter, what color did you paint yours?
-Pat

[skip68]

I beat ya Pat.   

[SUPERSTAR14]

Justy as with the "01" and "General Lee" Scripts back in the 80's when people had to attempt to paint 'em on, you give 100 people cars, and Not nare one of 'em are correct. THANK GOD for CrazyC's graphics. Now, even the most Dislexic dumbass can have the "correct" graphics. Now, if someone would just show them then correct way to mix red/orange paint.

"Hemi Orange" more mimics the Original first 5 episode's GL, while "That flame red" whatever, kinda makes the "California" cars look.

Cooter, what color did you paint yours?
-Pat

What color is yours Cooter?    I painted mine 69 hugger orange.  

That's funny

[SUPERSTAR14]

I beat ya Pat.   

Story of my life

[Cooter]

Justy as with the "01" and "General Lee" Scripts back in the 80's when people had to attempt to paint 'em on, you give 100 people cars, and Not nare one of 'em are correct. THANK GOD for CrazyC's graphics. Now, even the most Dislexic dumbass can have the "correct" graphics. Now, if someone would just show them then correct way to mix red/orange paint.

"Hemi Orange" more mimics the Original first 5 episode's GL, while "That flame red" whatever, kinda makes the "California" cars look.

Cooter, what color did you paint yours?
-Pat

If I told you, I'd have to....Well you know....

Actually, nobody can match it as it's a custom paint. Mixed from actual paint chips off Real SCREEN used General Lee. When I went into the paint store, I had three different reps mixing paints. Not ONE OF THEM WAS THE SAME COLOR. All where different shades. So, I decided, since NOBODY actually can PROVE what the hell color was on the General Lee, just like with Christine's red, I would mix my own custom color. When someone can show me the actual guys that purchased the paint for the show in 1977-78-79, PROVE who he is, where he got the paint, prove the "code" does exist, prove that the paint he purchased actually went onto the car used in the series, Prove that one of these cars with that paint on it still exists today, then and ONLY then, will I EVER believe that color was "The color". Anything else is just hear-say/guesswork at best.

[Mike DC]

            
IMHO people would be a lot less concerned with the correct colors of TV/movie cars if they understood how severely the filming process affects colors.  The crews would not even try to make a color shade judgment until they had seen it on 35mm.  How it looked in real life might not be relevant.  


Same General Lee, same day/time, parked facing the same direction - but two different photos:




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And sometimes the film color might be purposely altered just for artistic reasons.


The "Gone in 60 Seconds" remake car's exact paint shade is well known.  



But the movie footage was so heavily filtered & tinted  . . . a different shade might arguably still look more screen-accurate.  

[A383Wing]

Mike...are those 2 Lee pics taken with same or different camera?

Bryan

[Mike DC]

 
I don't know whether it was the same camera or not.

The camera itself is not the main issue. 
It's more about the lighting conditions, the film stock, and the development process.  Or the light sensor on a digital image, I suppose. 



Orange is a particularly difficult color to deal with.  It's too close to human skin tones.  Film coloring is not an exact science and they always have to make it the top priority to get any humans in the image looking acceptable. 

   

[Cooter]

All of the "on film it looks different" is beside the point if someone can PROVE to me the actual Color/s used on the TV series on the General Lee. Please offer Proof in documentation form, that way, it'll look "correct" in any light, on camera, with John S. in it, etc.

Without the definative proof, all else if "Guesswork" at best no matter who filmed it, shot it, how it looked to dude in the corner, etc.

Without the proof, EVERYBODY'S "Corvette Flame Red"/"Hemi Orange"/EV2/"Hugger Orange"/"Plain 'ol RedishOrange Custom mix"/etc. is 'Correct'....

[ACUDANUT]

The GL I saw was as red as the middle of the Dixie Flag.

[Mike DC]

The GL I saw was as red as the middle of the Dixie Flag.

Wow, now THAT never happened on the TV cars.

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All of the "on film it looks different" is beside the point if someone can PROVE to me the actual Color/s used on the TV series on the General Lee. Please offer Proof in documentation form, that way, it'll look "correct" in any light, on camera, with John S. in it, etc.

Without the definative proof, all else if "Guesswork" at best no matter who filmed it, shot it, how it looked to dude in the corner, etc.

Without the proof, EVERYBODY'S "Corvette Flame Red"/"Hemi Orange"/EV2/"Hugger Orange"/"Plain 'ol RedishOrange Custom mix"/etc. is 'Correct'....

Mopar's OEM factory shades had some inconsistency depending on the assembly plant & build date too.  But that doesn't mean that a restorer can call a B5 blue car "factory correct" with any shade of blue he feels like using.


The Corvette orange color was the INTENDED color for the majority of the TV prop cars, and the other cars were never radically different.  A bunch surviving cars/parts and several TV crewmembers' memories all agree on this.  



Personally I don't give a crap what color people use on their GLs.  It's their car.  
I'm just saying we have a ballpark idea of what the color originally was, for whom it may concern.
           
     
         

[Cooter]

Mopar's OEM factory shades had some inconsistency depending on the assembly plant & build date too.  But that doesn't mean that a restorer can call a B5 blue car "factory correct" with any shade of blue he feels like using.


The Corvette orange color was the INTENDED color for the majority of the TV prop cars, and the other cars were never radically different.  A bunch surviving cars/parts and several TV crewmembers' memories all agree on this.  



Personally I don't give a crap what color people use on their GLs.  It's their car.  
I'm just saying we have a ballpark idea of what the color originally was, for whom it may concern.
           
     
         

We have this same debate in the Christine world as well. One of the Movie's producers couldn't even get the year/ make/ model correct. Called it a "1957 Plymouth Fury"...

Christine was a 1958 Plymouth BELVEDERE. NO Fury's were available in red and white. Only Buckskin beige, which is ironic, as most of the DOH TV people seem to think that was the color for the interior as well.

[bill440rt]

That is strange...  
Factory color aside, it was always my interpretation that based on the story Christine was a '58 Plymouth Fury. I do not recall hearing it being called a Belvedere anywhere throughout the movie, or in the book.
Even the movie poster states it's a Fury.

IIRC, the way the story goes the original owner special ordered it in blood red. This is in the novel. In the film, as it's coming down the assembly line, among a sea of beige ones it's the only one in red.

Not trying to hijack.  
Yes, colors look different in pictures/film.
Yes, the GL is orange. Park 20 together and they'll all be a different color.

[Baldwinvette77]

That is strange...  
Factory color aside, it was always my interpretation that based on the story Christine was a '58 Plymouth Fury. I do not recall hearing it being called a Belvedere anywhere throughout the movie, or in the book.
Even the movie poster states it's a Fury.

IIRC, the way the story goes the original owner special ordered it in blood red. This is in the novel. In the film, as it's coming down the assembly line, among a sea of beige ones it's the only one in red.

Not trying to hijack.  
Yes, colors look different in pictures/film.
Yes, the GL is orange. Park 20 together and they'll all be a different color.

i think in the book it was stated christine was a four door, had a hurst shifter, a powerglide and was a ford red colour, so who knows 

[bill440rt]

That is strange...  
Factory color aside, it was always my interpretation that based on the story Christine was a '58 Plymouth Fury. I do not recall hearing it being called a Belvedere anywhere throughout the movie, or in the book.
Even the movie poster states it's a Fury.

IIRC, the way the story goes the original owner special ordered it in blood red. This is in the novel. In the film, as it's coming down the assembly line, among a sea of beige ones it's the only one in red.

Not trying to hijack.  
Yes, colors look different in pictures/film.
Yes, the GL is orange. Park 20 together and they'll all be a different color.

i think in the book it was stated christine was a four door, had a hurst shifter, a powerglide and was a ford red colour, so who knows 

Exactly. That's the point.
It's a STORY. The car is a fictional character.

[Cooter]

That is strange...  
Factory color aside, it was always my interpretation that based on the story Christine was a '58 Plymouth Fury. I do not recall hearing it being called a Belvedere anywhere throughout the movie, or in the book.
Even the movie poster states it's a Fury.

Well, it wouldn't have sounded very "Vicious" now would it, if it had been "Christine, and all her Belvedereness?" They HAD to use the "Fury" name in order for it to sound menacing. That's a given. The point was, he called it a 1957 Plymouth Fury, Not even a '58. So if the Producer [Richard Kobrits] Couldn't even get the model correct, I doubt any know the true color of it. In the Charger world, it would be the same as calling the "Bullitt", black,  chase car a 1969 Charger.
The car had no scripts at all on it, so it couldn't have been a Fury,  Or Even a Plaza, OR Savoy. Although, the Belevedere DID have the silver Sportone trim, unlike the Fury which had only Gold.  It was just a 'Ficticious' car that 'More resembled' a Belvedere than a Fury.

[bill440rt]

Absolutely agree, Cooter. It does resemble a Belvedere.
Despite whatever color, trim, what a movie producer called it, etc, my interpretation is just that Christine was however always a Fury, as outlined in the Steven King's book and the film. Well aware they were only offered in beige. 
Like the internet, anything can happen in the movies! 

[Cooter]

AFAIK, a 4dr, Red and white Sport "Fury" wasn't available until 1959 as well.

[Mike DC]

   
Hey, it's a Hollywood prop car.  Consistency is more important than accuracy.


When it comes to the General Lee, IMHO the missing signal lights/badges/antenna/etc actually makes some sense.  An amateur dirt track stocker would have be changing its outer skin as often as the spark plugs.  Bo & Luke would have been taking sheetmetal off any 2nd-gen Charger they could find at the local pick-n-pulls.

   

[Ghoste]

That does actually make a lot of sense.

[UH60L]

As I recall the GL had an antenna in the first episode and it got broke off when someone slid over the hood, but don't quote me on that......I'm not getting any younger and my memory...well er, what was I talking about....

[ACUDANUT]

The antenna was in the back though 

[A383Wing]

I think he was talking about the OE right side fender antenna for radio....the one in the back was for CB radio

Bryan

[Mike DC]

As I recall the GL had an antenna in the first episode and it got broke off when someone slid over the hood, but don't quote me on that......I'm not getting any younger and my memory...well er, what was I talking about.... icon_smile_big

It's the Luke Duke hood slide in the opening credits.  It was in the 2nd episode.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U65_uY5N2WM



Tom Wopat had run across the hood during the rehearsal run of that shot.  But he still had tennis shoes on during rehearsals.  The first time he tried it wearing cowboy boots was when the cameras were rolling.  His boot slipped out from under him when it hit the hood, accidentally resulting in the famous hood slide.

It's not very obvious from watching the shot, but his right forearm landed on the antenna sticking up on the fender.  It gashed his arm and he got a few stiches.  After that incident the hood slide was Luke's signature move and the GLs got their radio antennas taken off.  

[Ghoste]

Never heard about the stitches before, that's interesting trivia.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

While we're on the subject of what's original on a Duke's car, in addition of the antenna, notice the positiion of the right side wiper blade.




Also, looks like black door buttons are correct......




Or are they?





What say the Dukee experts?

[JB400]

Both buttons are correct in my book.  Just depends on the owner

[Ghoste]

And at the end of the day, its a cool movie with a Mopar in it.

[Cooter]

Wow, that picture has door open and NO "01" on it. Wonder if that could be actually correct? Hmmmm.

[A383Wing]

I don't see a "Charger" script on the sail panel either

Bryan

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Wow, that picture has door open and NO "01" on it.

I don't see a "Charger" script on the sail panel either

Bryan

With all the documented pictures out there, why can't you guys replicate the damn car properly?!?!?!?!   

[Matthan]

nice

[Mike DC]

                    
                         
The General Lee also looked like this on a regular basis.  Maybe it should be "correct" too.





(People always ask, "Why couldn't those morons ever make the car land flat instead of crunching it so bad?"  The pic shows why.  Flat landings don't help.)

[Ghoste]

The flat landing pic looks like a chiropractic nightmare, I pity the stunt driver.

[VegasCharger]

Did anyone notice this in that pic as well?

[Ghoste]

Sure did.  She was put together back in the day wasn't she?

[ACUDANUT]

Nothing good last forever.

[JB400]

I heard there was a time where she was on top of the General and one of those slipped out of her top.

[Daytona R/T SE]

"She is Christine, a 1958 Plymouth Fury"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ5M11m9vI0\

I don't care if they used pink pintos to portray the car in the movie...

The 1983 theatrical trailer says it all.

[Cooter]

No one is Debating that point Daytona R/T SE, and just like some of you Hemi/Daytona/Superbird/C500 guys, Some of us DO care.

YOu know full and well if there was a movie coming out that portrayed a 1969 Hemi Daytona in the Title, but used a 2012 Challenger you, and the like, would be all over it. Case closed.

[Daytona R/T SE]

No one is Debating that point Daytona R/T SE, and just like some of you Hemi/Daytona/Superbird/C500 guys, Some of us DO care.

YOu know full and well if there was a movie coming out that portrayed a 1969 Hemi Daytona in the Title, but used a 2012 Challenger you, and the like, wpuld be all over it. Case closed.

Allow me to clarify my point:

"Real life" Belvederes were made up to look like the "Character" car... "1958 Plymouth Fury"

I get that.

"Christine" is supposed to be a '58 Fury.

No where in the book or the movie story line is the car referred to as a "Belvedere"

The part in the movie of "58 Fury" is played by modified Belvederes.

That's it.

Case closed.

[richRTSE]

here's the correct GL color....  

[Cooter]

here's the correct GL color....  

Now that is funny. Sadly, it's true as well...
Was at a show here yesterday and a bunch of the so-called "Experts" were out in full force. One says "I thought the GL was a '69 Charger?"
I reply "It was". Replies, "Why do you have this one painted up like it then?"
reply,"Um, huh?"
"Well, isn't this one a 1970?"(Staring right at my '69 Clone)
"Eye roll"...

[Ghoste]

Did you ask him what made him think it wasn't a 69?

[Cooter]

Did you ask him what made him think it wasn't a 69?

Shawn, sometimes, if you begin to wallow in the mud with a pig, you soon realize the pig is enjoying it...

No, I stopped trying after hearing bout how this dude's SS396 Chevelle outran every "Hemi" that ever lived in dudes hometown let-alone how he knew my car musta been a 1970.

However, I was impressed by how many knew by the "pad" that it musta been a 413, or 440 though. Alotta times I get the typical "So, Is that a 318, or.....383....what?"

[Ghoste]

Yeah I can see your point. Engine id I can understand, but telling you your car is a 70 seems dumb.  I know the tail lights could throw him off but surely if he knows the GL is a 69 then he should know the tail light shape?  Oh well.

[Cooter]

You shoulda heard the comment from the Guy that had the 1968 SS Camaro next to me...Whoooo Weee...Some WHOPPERS coming from that old geezr, but I degress, Who am I to question the logic/opinons of someone who bought it in 1971...Afterall, he MUST be correct as I wasn't born yet.

I mean, surely a 350 SS Camaro actually did run low 9's in the 1/4 mile with a straight gear back in 1974. Surely he actually DID outrun everybody on the street. Even that Blown alcohol Hemi RR everybody kept talking bout.

[Baldwinvette77]

maybe the fact that your GL has the marker and reverse lights still on it (i think) through him off, since the tv cars shaved them off  

[Ghoste]

Yeah Cooter I always get a big kick out of the letters to editor in Hemmings Muscle Machines.  Every issue has a few in which somebody thanks them for some obscure model in the previous issue and then they proceed to talk about how they or their buddy had one new back in the day and it was the fastest car in town and was never beaten by anything ever (they often cite Hemi Mopars for some reason).
I always chuckle and wonder, if none of these guys ever got beaten, who were they racing?  I mean, somebody had to be losing right?

[Cooter]

maybe the fact that your GL has the marker and reverse lights still on it (i think) through him off, since the tv cars shaved them off  

Nah, with these cars, you always have one or two 'experts', whether your car is a Hemi clone, or a GL that think you know absolutely NOTHING bout the car you've worked on for over 4 years.
Well, I DID have a bunch of people coming up to the car and asking bout how it was to own it. I simply told them the truth instead of making owning the GL sound like all fun and games when it clearly is NOT.
It takes a VERY patient and understanding perosn to own the GL. I told many it was a HUGE PITA after 13 years with him. However, I do it not for the PITA part, but for the fun parts which usually outweigh to really bad parts.
Many would come up to the car with the usual mindless drivel about the show/car/movie etc. and remark how the GL was NEVER a Straight gear like mine is.
I paid it no mind, but it still seems to disappoint the kids when some douche does that where everybody can hear it. WTF are they to put down my junk when they have none to compare to? Plus side was NOBODY mentioned being incorrect color. Thank goodness, although it is technically, 'Correct'. One DID however mention that it was the same model used in DMCL. I told him if I decide to go the other way, I'd certainly be doing that yellow/black car.

[Baldwinvette77]

maybe the fact that your GL has the marker and reverse lights still on it (i think) through him off, since the tv cars shaved them off  

Nah, with these cars, you always have one or two 'experts', whether your car is a Hemi clone, or a GL that thiunk you know absolutely NOTHING bout the car you've worked on for over 4 years.
Well, I DID have a bunch of people coming up to the car and asking bout how it was to own it. I simply told them the truth instead of making owning the GL sound like all fun and games when it clearly is NOT.
It takes a VERY patient and understanding perosn to own the GL. I told many it was a HUGE PITA after 13 years with him. However, I do it not for the PITA part, but for the fun parts which usually outweigh to really bad parts.
Many would come up to the car with the usual mindless drivel about the show/car/movie etc. and remark how the GL was NEVER a Straight gear like mine is.
I paid it no mind, but it still seems to disappoint the kids when some douche does that where everybody can hear it. WTF are they to put down my junk when they have none to compare to? Plus side was NOBODY mentioned being incorrect color. Thank goodness. One DID however mention that it was the samew model used in DMCL. I told him if I decide to go the other way, I'd certainly be doing that yellow/black car.

i guess so, i know an old body man i used to work with said he had a 1969 chrysler road runner, 383, four speed, , i told him " i think they were plymouths" innocently, but he insisted it was a chrysler, i didnt argue since he was about 4 times my age at the time and who am i to talk about cars that were rusting away in scrap yards decades before i was born 

[JB400]

Yeah Cooter I always get a big kick out of the letters to editor in Hemmings Muscle Machines.  Every issue has a few in which somebody thanks them for some obscure model in the previous issue and then they proceed to talk about how they or their buddy had one new back in the day and it was the fastest car in town and was never beaten by anything ever (they often cite Hemi Mopars for some reason).
I always chuckle and wonder, if none of these guys ever got beaten, who were they racing?  I mean, somebody had to be losing right?

My guess, either a Volkswagon Beetle or something with a straight 6

[Mike DC]

        

Nah, with these cars, you always have one or two 'experts', whether your car is a Hemi clone, or a GL that think you know absolutely NOTHING bout the car you've worked on for over 4 years.

That's the part that never ceases to amaze me.  

How does he think you got it titled and registered without knowing what year it is?

             


Screen shots from the TV show are the only thing that ever shuts these guys up.  They still won't concede you're right, but they will probably accept that "a few of the cars" were done your way.   

[69wannabe]

I had the uniform on my 68 for 11 years and I had the hemi orange paint on it. My friend has a General Lee and his is hemi orange also but somehow they were a different shade than each other. I guess it could depend who mixes the paint and which brand of paint is being used and etc... Orange is a weird color to work with for sure!! I will say that a couple years back me and my friend spent the weekend with Henry Holman and he said that the first three cars from warner bros were hemi orange. After the cars were totaled (which was quickly) warner bros came up with two more cars which were painted by H & H body shop with the flame red paint since they were doing a lot of corvette's at the time they had a lot of that paint extra and it was close enough to the other orange to go ahead and use it. I have no idea after that what color was used on the California cars but I hear it was mostly flame red. The way I see it either color is correct or any red-orange paint that looks good is correct!