Official Post Pics Of Your Guns Thread

[Drache]

Although this is a bit of a tangent I thought it would be relevant here. On the radio the other day I heard that Square (https://squareup.com/) and Paypal will not accept payments for guns from gun dealers, basically because they've injested the anti-gun Kool Aid going around these days. Figured I'd look it up to verify and sure enough.

So depending on how you feel about private companies usurping your gun rights, you might look into using alternative electronic payment providers for your purchases.

Square - By creating a Square Account, you also confirm that you will not accept payments in connection with the following businesses or business activities:
(23) sales of (i) firearms, firearm parts or hardware, and ammunition; or (ii) weapons and other devices designed to cause physical injury. https://squareup.com/legal/seller-agreement

Paypal - You may not use the PayPal service for activities that: 2. relate to transactions involving (i) ammunition, firearms, or certain firearm parts or accessories, or (j) ,certain weapons or knives regulated under applicable law. https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-content&content_ID=ua/AcceptableUse_full&locale.x=en_US

Ok take this into context though.... Paypal was purchased by EBAY! Now paypal was pretty much geared towards nothing but paying for stuff on Ebay when they first started, then Ebay bought them. That payment for certain firearm stuff is simple to understand. If you look, those items are prohibited from being listed on Paypal. If a firearm accessory/part is allowed on Ebay, you are allowed to use paypal to pay for it. They are not anti-gun.

So it's just their policy that's anti-gun? If you read the Paypal policy above you see that it pretty much mirrors the Ebay policy. You cannot buy weapons on Ebay, only "certain" weapon-related parts or accessories, so I guess it depends on your definition of anti-gun. Also, the restriction may be tighter when using Paypal outside of Ebay. For example you may be allowed to buy a pistol grip shotgun stock on Ebay using Paypal but restricted from buying the same thing from an authorized dealer outside of Ebay. There always seems to be the above-board policy and the unwritten policy when it comes to doing business these days, look no further than the IRS for an example of that. Basically what is going on here is if a gun dealer wants to sell items using Paypal as the payment vehicle I'd wager he's pretty much stuck using Ebay as his listing agent. So the policy equates to about half anti-gun shenanigans and half Ebay's usual monopoly efforts, both of which are pretty scummy.

I have purchased many firearms accessories and parts using Paypal over many years without a single problem.

As for Ebay policies on selling certain items; The laws governing those prohibited items are different from State to State. Ebay does not want to be found liable when someone sells a legal item in one State to a State where said item is illegal. Easier to just make said items prohibited for sale.

They are just covering their ass legally is all.

[bull]

I have purchased many firearms accessories and parts using Paypal over many years without a single problem.

As for Ebay policies on selling certain items; The laws governing those prohibited items are different from State to State. Ebay does not want to be found liable when someone sells a legal item in one State to a State where said item is illegal. Easier to just make said items prohibited for sale.

They are just covering their ass legally is all.

Right, that's what I'm saying. They're on the anti-gun bandwagon and trying to play it safe by severely limiting the gun-related items that can be sold using Paypal. But again, gun dealers outside the umbrella of Ebay cannot use Paypal. Even those that follow the federal, state and local laws that regulate the sales of items they routinely sell. In other words, you can't go into a local gun store, pick out a .38 Special, jump through all the required regulation hoops and walk out with a revolver if you want to pay for it with Paypal.

[Drache]

Right, that's what I'm saying. They're on the anti-gun bandwagon and trying to play it safe by severely limiting the gun-related items that can be sold using Paypal.

They are only limiting items that could be sold to a State in which said item is illegal. It was easier to ban those items outright, than create computer code that would stop someone from said State from buying an item that was illegal in that state. This was done for Ebay.

When ebay bought Paypal it was easier for Ebay to carry the same rules over to their new Paypal. Do I agree with it, no.

But Ebay doesn't want Paypal to end up in the news that some terrorist sent money over paypal to another terrorist to buy stock piles of arms. By stating they do not allow paying for firearms, they are covering their ass legally. I've paid for firearms over paypal, we just called it "sporting equipment".

It has nothing to do with jumping on the anti-gun bandwagon. 

[charge69]

First of all, twodco has it right when he says " Light is Life"!!! Anything extra, no matter how tacti-cool, will slow you down dramaticallly in real combat and is way more apt to get you killed, rather than help you! Put ANY extra weight into ammunition for whatever you are carrying and help anyone-else carry MORE ammunition! Ammo is that important!

Also, I fully agree with Bull on Paypal's anti-gun stance. Way back when, you used to be able to buy firearms on Ebay but quickly got shut down. Ebay decided there was too much liability there and backed off to just gun parts and accessories and remain that way. There are a large number of more antigun companies around but, make no mistake about it, Ebay is antigun.

[John_Kunkel]

nice collection   is the smle a Mk3 or a Mk4.

It's a "bubba". 

[ACUDANUT]

Guns Kill People.

[twodko]

Cars kill people

Pencils and pens cause spelling errors

[Drache]

First of all, twodco has it right when he says " Light is Life"!!! Anything extra, no matter how tacti-cool, will slow you down dramaticallly in real combat and is way more apt to get you killed, rather than help you! Put ANY extra weight into ammunition for whatever you are carrying and help anyone-else carry MORE ammunition! Ammo is that important!

Depends on what situation you're going into. Darkness might require a mounted light or an AN/PEQ. If you need to be quite a Suppressor is needed. A front grip greatly helps keep shots on target. Now the M203... that has it's own purpose

[twodko]

Front grip....agreed

AN/PEQ......agreed to a point. Thats what flank and zone defense is for

Supressor.....agreed

Mounted light or laser.......surprise. your position is compromised and you become the target.

M203.......its not called a Blooper for just grins.

[Drache]

Front grip....agreed

AN/PEQ......agreed to a point. Thats what flank and zone defense is for

Supressor.....agreed

Mounted light or laser.......surprise. your position is compromised and you become the target.

M203.......its not called a Blooper for just grins.

A target can't shoot at you if they are blinded. Just ask your local SWAT team. Almost every one of their rifles are light equipped.

Lights are for close quarters in confined space. Try turning a corner and having 800 lumen shining in your eyes. Fell on my ass the first time. 

As for a NORMAL laser, I'll agree, not needed. an AN/PEQ has an IR Laser but that is to help aiming and to point something out while wearing NV and no one can see it anyways without NV. Hell even some police forces have adopted the AN/PEQ.

M203 is a specially needed attachment. That's why there are generally only one or two in a squad. They are there for very specific purposes. I personally wasn't a fan as they make your rifle weigh a ton, but I know why they can be needed. 

[Drache]

[Paul G]

Nice collections you guys. You have a ton of money invested in this. I do believe it is an investment too. Gun prices seem to hold there own. We had a gun by back program last year in Phoenix. I took a little POS there to be melted down. It misfired every other round. A dangerous little POS. Some guy on the street offered me $100 for it knowing it was a POS. Just wanted the parts I guess.   

[el dub]

guns inside

[Alaskan_TA]

I found both of these near my childhood home. The pistol was discovered about 35 years ago under a rotting log on a hillside. The 1911 frame was discovered about 6 years ago while digging for a new foundation under my parents house.

[charge69]

Alaskan_T/A :  the revolver resembles an old Colt revolver and the 1911/Government frame is definitely an old Colt, probably pre-1916 as the cutaways have the distinct "heart-shaped" cutouts on the side.  Bet they both could tell some tall tales!

[skip68]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here.   Drache, I'm presuming you have extensive combat training because of your knowledge and hobby of tactical and self defense tools.   Are you for hire?    Just kidding.

[Drache]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here.   Drache, I'm presuming you have extensive combat training because of your knowledge and hobby of tactical and self defense tools.   Are you for hire?    Just kidding.

Depends on what you need? I can also operate a backhoe 

[Chargerguy74]

nice collection  is the smle a Mk3 or a Mk4. my first centerfire was a smle Mk 5 jungle carbine with the 2 groove barrel, man did it kick

No.1 MkIII*

A No.4 (not Mk 4) would have the rear sight on the rear of the receiver, rather than a leaf on the barrel.

[Alaskan_TA]

Alaskan_T/A :  the revolver resembles an old Colt revolver

A gun collector identified the pistol for me years ago, I do not recall the exact model but it was made in Spain.

[redmist]

[MxRacer855]

Beautiful guns guys! 

This is my Rock river AR I built. Nothing special. It's a carbine with a dual-stage trigger, removable carry handle (huge fan of iron sights), tactical quad rail, and Surefire LED flashlight.

The bottom pic is of our Kimber 1911's (both standard 5"). I've got the Stainless Raptor II, and bought my dad the Eclipse II for Christmas. 

Jeff

[ACUDANUT]

Why do you call it a Carbine ?
" They fire lower-powered ammunition, including those designed for pistols"
This is not the case.

[el dub]

A carbine has a shorter barrel than a long gun generally. a shortened version of a rifle. Consequently,lighter.

[69rtse4spd]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here.   Drache, I'm presuming you have extensive combat training because of your knowledge and hobby of tactical and self defense tools.   Are you for hire?    Just kidding.

Depends on what you need? I can also operate a backhoe 

Is that first one a BAR, can shoot & bury the body, ah I mean carcas, nice collection.  .

[Drache]