Calibrokeia AB760

[twodko]

Yet more restrictions, more taxes, more "guns kill people not people kill people" fear mongering. I could not find the specific language in this bill but a guy at my local hunting supply store says Cali will not allow online ammo sales and FFL holders will be the only legal sellers of ammo.

[John_Kunkel]

That's only one of a dozen gun-unfriendly bills pending in the PRK.

[68X426]

says Cali will not allow online ammo sales

Source: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/13-14/bill/asm/ab_0751-0800/ab_760_bill_20130221_introduced.htm

I don't see where it says online retailers either. With no definition of what a retailer is, we can assume a broad definition, and that would include online sales.

It would appear the bill allows online sales, and online retailers would just have another tax to collect.

[Budnicks]

Nothing here in California would really surprise me anymore with the people ruining & running our once great state, BUT I don't see anything about "No Internet" sales either, it's an introduced added Tax on Ammo, I don't think it has been passed yet, but it's an added tax for the law abiding gun owning citizens of California, over the already high sales taxes, that we have he already in the Nanny State of California  , from 2 Democrats/Liberals - Assembly Member Dickinson & principal coauthor Senator Steinberg.... Just be sure to remember that at re-election time...    have a nice day & thanks for bringing it to my attention

[charge69]

What a screwed up legislature and a hodgepodge of anti-gun bills! How did these people get control of your state? Such a beautiful state that will, unfortunately, go on my list of NEVER wanting to move there!

The fiscal cliff is in sight for you people living in the PRK but it just doesn't stop the legislature from passing more spending everyday! Lots of states in a fiscal bind right now but I believe the PRK will be the first to fall!

[twodko]

Here's the full skinny........prepare to be outraged.

AB 48 Online ammo sale ban

The following bills all passed in the state Senate Committee on Public Safety by a 5 to 2 vote.
The following Senators opposed the below anti-gun bills: Senators: Joel Anderson and Steve Knight.  The following Senators supported the below anti-gun bills:  Senator Loni Hancock, Marty Block, Kevin de Leon, Carol Liu and Darrell Steinberg.
Senate Bill 47 (Yee) expands the definition of "assault weapons" to BAN the future sale of rifles that have been designed/sold and are equipped to use the "bullet button" or similar device, requires NEW "assault weapon" registration of ALL those semi-auto rifles that are currently possessed to retain legal possession in the future, and subjects these firearms to all other "assault weapons" restrictions.
Senate Bill 53 (DeLeon) requires persons to buy an annual ammunition purchase permit, requires the registration and thumbprint of the purchaser for each ammunition purchase, and bans online and mail order sales of ammunition to Californians.
Senate Bill 108 (Yee) requires mandatory locked storage of firearms within a locked house regardless of whether anyone is present.
Senate Bill 293 (DeSaulnier) BANS the sale of conventional handguns, if the state Department of Justice approves the sale of "Owner Authorized – Smart" handgun technology.
Senate Bill 299 (DeSaulnier) turns victims of firearm theft into criminals for failing to report the loss of their firearm within 48 hours.
Senate Bill 374 (Steinberg) expands the definition of "assault weapons" to BAN the future transfer of all semi-auto rifles that accept detachable magazines (including those chambered for rimfire cartridges) and virtually all semi-auto rifles with fixed magazines (primarily those chambered for rimfire cartridges), requires NEW "assault weapon" registration, requires registration of ALL those semi-auto rifles that are currently possessed to retain legal possession in the future, and subjects these firearms to all other "assault weapon" restrictions.
Senate Bill 396 (Hancock) BANS the POSSESSION of any magazine with a capacity to accept more than ten cartridges, including currently legally possessed "grandfathered large capacity" magazines.
Senate Bill 567 (Jackson) expands the definition of shotgun for "short-barreled shotguns" that are illegal to own.
Senate Bill 755 (Wolk) expands the list of persons prohibited from owning a firearm.
Yesterday, anti-gun Assembly Bill 169 (Dickinson), which BANS the sale of handguns not on the state-approved roster, passed in the Assembly Public Safety Committee by a 12 to 5 vote.  AB 169 will now be sent to the full Assembly for consideration.
This fight is not over.  Continue to call AND e-mail your state Senator and Assemblyman.  They MUST hear from you TODAY urging them to OPPOSE these anti-gun bills listed above.  Don't forget to forward this alert to your family, friends and fellow gun owners throughout California and urge them to do the same.  We need all of California gun owners and Second Amendment supporters to continually call AND e-mail their state legislators. The California Legislature needs to know that this egregious attack against law-abiding citizens needs to stop.
You can write your representative here urging them to OPPOSE the anti-gun bills listed above.  Please feel free to also copy and paste all the bill information to ensure your state legislators know which bills to OPPOSE.
You can also send a letter to all elected officials in California here.  Please feel free to copy and paste all the bill information above to ensure the elected officials of California know which bills to OPPOSE.
You can also find information about anti-gun and pro-gun legislation in California at www.calnra.com.


Read more at Ammoland.com: http://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/anti-gun-legislators-vote-to-destroy-hunting-second-amendment-in-california/#ixzz2TOjMoG8F

[charge69]

I am sooooo glad I live in Texas !!!  The people of California need to fight these bills and vote those reps who introduce such madness out of office ! 

[Budnicks]

I am sooooo glad I live in Texas !!!  The people of California need to fight these bills and vote those reps who introduce such madness out of office ! 

yep

[twodko]

The word going around is that they will be banning cars because cars kill people.....oh, and they're going after pencils/pens because they cause spelling errors. WHAT HORROR!

[twodko]

Greetings Posse of Chaos,

I have spent the last several days calling all over Calif**kedupia looking for a Glock 17. This state is becoming more oppressive and draconian everyday!

Finally, FINALLY after spending half the day on the phone I found a dealer in Eureka who had one Glock 17 left. I bought it on the spot and am having it sent to a local store. Its really bad here folks....I'm embarrassed to tell you its costing me a total of $833 to buy a $500 weapon. What a charlie foxtrot this state has become.

On a positive note BulkAmmo.com has ample supplies of product. I have taken healthy advantage of 5.56, 9mm and 12 gauge 00 & slugs at decent prices given the fear mongering hysteria these days.

Its crazy here but with the coming ban on online ammo sales to Cali I'm more or less comfortable moving on these items. Fellow Cali sufferers if you need to replenish your stocks checkout BulkAmmo.com

Regards,

Your Fellow Gun Nut 

[Indygenerallee]

I feel bad for you guy's that live in Commiefornia!!!

[Troy]

Greetings Posse of Chaos,

I have spent the last several days calling all over Calif**kedupia looking for a Glock 17. This state is becoming more oppressive and draconian everyday!

Finally, FINALLY after spending half the day on the phone I found a dealer in Eureka who had one Glock 17 left. I bought it on the spot and am having it sent to a local store. Its really bad here folks....I'm embarrassed to tell you its costing me a total of $833 to buy a $500 weapon. What a charlie foxtrot this state has become.

On a positive note BulkAmmo.com has ample supplies of product. I have taken healthy advantage of 5.56, 9mm and 12 gauge 00 & slugs at decent prices given the fear mongering hysteria these days.

Its crazy here but with the coming ban on online ammo sales to Cali I'm more or less comfortable moving on these items. Fellow Cali sufferers if you need to replenish your stocks checkout BulkAmmo.com

Regards,

Your Fellow Gun Nut 

In my estimation, bulkammo.com has some pretty high prices. There are better options online - but you may have to be quick if you find a good deal. I generally get ammo at about half of what those guys are charging (which is why they have so much in stock!). If you do buy online, make sure you get as much as possible because shipping for the first few boxes is a killer - but it gets cheaper than sales tax if you order 10 or more. I've always joked about importing engines/transmissions to California but it may just be a better business deal to ship in ammo. And you guys always make fun of us in the Midwest...

Troy

[charge69]

My goodness, twodko,  you are paying a lot more than even the price-gougers are charging down here! I guess all the fees involved with shipping a gun to a local FFL has something to do with it but, .... wow, that is a hefty price! My LGS, a nearby pawn shop, still has new G17's (Gen 3 which I prefer) in stock for $479 + tax ! Yes, he does have them in stock for that!

Try Cope's distributing for ammo. At least get on their mailing list for emails about it. I, very recently, got 1k rounds of American Eagle 180gr. FMJ 40 S&W from them for $399.00 plus $12.00 shipping to my door.

I haven't looked to see if they ship to the PRK but I think  they do.

Carl

[twodko]

Believe me I searched and searched for the best price on a Glock 17. Obviously no  business outside Cali will sell any guns to any dealer in Cali so we are left to scour the state. The underlying hitch is " high capacity" magazines. outside the PRK such mags come as part of the hand gun purchase. But anything holding more that 10 rds is illegal in Cali hence it's illegal for out of state dealers to sell their products here. There were two promising dealers in SoCal but when I called they had none and no idea when their stock might be replenished. Taxes here are very high here as well, the Glock I finally found was at a dealer almost on the Oregon border. The sales tax alone was $53.....$40 handling, read shipping to the receiving dealer and $80 for the transfer fee. That $80 fee was the cheapest I could find most charging $150 or more.

And online ammunitions sales......an equally frustrating endeavor. I have bought from several vendors over the years and have enjoyed cheap bulk pricing. Now these same outfits advertise this and that for what seem to be "good" prices these days but when contacted for purchases they are sold out despite their websites touting "we have it in stock".

The mass hysteria and "gun nut" fear mongering the Feds and ultra Libs have instilled in a large percentage of the population have amplified the difficulty of buying legal firearms/ammunitions by an order of magnitude. I'm def not happy to be gouged by retailers taking advantage of the situation. The end result of my endless phone calls, emails etc while ultimately fruitful are indicative of the craziness these days.

To close I'll put this out here for your consideration.....these horrible killings of innocents by whatever means are so far beyond any rationale that people are shocked beyond measure. And rightly so however, people need someone, something to blame in order to make some sense of it all. By way of the aforementioned groups, firearms have become the great satan. People can't see the forest for the trees anymore becoming little more than sheeple.
My point of view my seem harsh but I live in an obsurdly draconian state.

Recently another well informed member here mentioned that we can vote out of office those politicians who have managed to get "ban this and ban that" on the books as law is about all we can do. Once these laws are on the books it's damn near impossible to get them struck down.

I don't have the answer guys. Just doing the best I can with what we have to work with.

Thank you Charge69 for the heads up on Copes. They are now bookmarked on my machine.

[twodko]

Charg69'

I just looked at Cope's website. 5.56 NATO....out of stock.   9 mike mike.....out of stock. 

[charge69]

I did not look at Cope's site before suggesting them but I can tell you to go ahead and order the "out of stock" ammo from them and they will not charge you until it comes in and is shipped. Pay attention to the emails you get from them and act quick if you see something you like or need. I check my emails regularly and got the email from them about the 40 S&W and bought it ASAP. They shipped it in about 24 hrs. from my order and I got it in about 3 days from shipping it.

Be sure to sign up for sales emails from Cope's. Most things they put on sale, I do not need or want but,  that is how I got my ammo.

I feel sorry for you living under the current regime there. They could well be too far gone to save California from itself! A beautiful state with draconian laws about EVERYTHING, not to mention the high and soon to get higher tax rate!

I can find FFL's who will do a transfer all day long for $15.00 to $25.00 here. The rates they charge there is just crazy!

P.S. high-capacity mags are the norm here and, rightfully, not regulated!

[twodko]

Thanks man. I was born in Portland, Oregon and now that my bride has passed away I'm seriously looking at moving to south central Oregon. Not too wet, not to dry. At 60 moving away from friends and community relationships is a major decision. Retired folks do it all the time so I guess I could too. Another brother here has offered his time and financial expertise helping find another home in the sierra foothills but it's still the PRK.

[charge69]

Really sorry to hear about your wife passing. I am 66 yrs old and have been married to my wife for 36 yrs. now. I do not know if I could go on if she passed! Moving is such a pain that, unless there is some kind of unforseen reason for it, I ain't moving ever again!  If you do decide to move, please get out of Cali ! I know it will be a major lifestyle change but the PRK is just going to get worse, it seems, not better!

[twodko]

Thank you and roger that!

[twodko]

UPDATE......

Salutations fellow Moparites,

I received a call today from the firearms dealer I bought my Benelli M2 from. They said they got a letter from the PRK department of justice saying my purchase has been put on "indefinite hold". The sales rep was a great guy, very apologetic and gave me the DOJ's phone number and my DROS number. Said I should begin calling daily but also said they wouldn't be able to give me a reason for the hold. WTF!
I asked him if this was becoming more common, his response was it has been happening more and more often in the last 6-8 months. The PRK DOJ has seen a huge increase in DROS's requiring background checks..SOP...so I asked if this could be the issue. He said more than likely yes, he also said he could receive a letter of "release" at any time as well. Again WTF! A statewide organization called CalGuns has filed a class action suit against the state AG, DOJ et al for just this reason.
It's getting mighty squirrelly here in the PRK. I'm now wondering if I'll get a similar call from the dealer I just bought a Glock 17 from........probably.

Unbelievable.

[charge69]

What a big, steaming pile of BULLS$!T !  When you pick up the Glock, isn't that when you will fill out the 4473 and then they do the call for the background check? I really don't know as I have only bought 1 gun over the net but my recieving dealer was the one who was responsible for my filling out a 4473 and  calling for the background check. I already have a Concealed Handgun License so, my dealer just takes info off my CHL and doesn't even call it in. The gun is mine right then!

[Rolling_Thunder]

Yeah -  so glad i'm leaving this state....       

I was looking to purchase a Sig 226 but...         With all this B.S. going on it's looking bleak.

Looks like I'll be moving to a different state that has common sense. 

[twodko]

This is an unreal Charlie Foxtrot........the PRK at its finest. I'm 60, an honorably discharged vet and don't have even a parking ticket.

I don't know guys.......this is just too stupid weird to be real. 

[twodko]

Update.....

I spent some time this afternoon researching the PRK DOJ gun purchase delays. Turns out that semi-auto shotguns are on the "assault weapons" list. This list specifically identifies these shotguns as having:

A pistol grip

A forward mounted secondary grip

Holds a rotary or high capacity magazine

Has a barrel of 18" or 26" or longer

A folding or telescopic stock

Threaded barrel to accept a suppressor

The my Benelli has an 18" barrel so I suspect this is the cause of the delay. Since it has none of the other descriptors I'm confident it will be released. My Glock 17 should be a cakewalk release

[Rolling_Thunder]

My AR15 has all those "evil" features....      no detachable mag though (bullet button) so it is not classified as an "assault rifle" ---   gotta love loopholes.