Goodyear racing slicks on your winged car

[hemi68charger]

Hey gang,
I was thinking of getting some 15x8 steelies or real Grand National rims for the Daytona. I was going to try and find a set of good used Goodyear racing slicks as well. I'm going for that sort-of NASCAR look for either the Daytona or C500...

Your thoughts?

[1970Moparmann]

Dammit Troy, your stealing my idea again....    Just kidding.  I love the look of your car with steelies in the magazine from years ago. 

[hemi68charger]

Dammit Troy, your stealing my idea again.... 

Two minds thinking alike........... Headers with electric dumps............ 

[1970Moparmann]

Dammit Troy, your stealing my idea again.... 

Two minds thinking alike........... Headers with electric dumps............ 

You SOB- I'm planning on doing that to the Charger!  No lie.......  A friend has them and they're awesome!

[Highbanked Hauler]

Hey gang,
I was thinking of getting some 15x8 steelies or real Grand National rims for the Daytona. I was going to try and find a set of good used Goodyear racing slicks as well. I'm going for that sort-of NASCAR look for either the Daytona or C500...

Your thoughts?

   Google   "NTT Racing" they have all types of vintage reproduction race tires. Some with (GOOD YEAR) white lettering.   There is also an e-bay store north of Charlotte Nc.  "racing tires" I think  the name is and he has a huge amount of used stock car tires.   I think that is what I am going to do on mine also.

[hemi68charger]

You SOB- I'm planning on doing that to the Charger!  No lie.......  A friend has them and they're awesome!

Google   "NTT Racing" they have all types of vintage reproduction race tires. Some with (GOOD YEAR) white lettering.   There is also an e-bay store north of Charlotte Nc.  "racing tires" I think  the name is and he has a huge amount of used stock car tires.   I think that is what I am going to do on mine also.

Al, is that the Australian company? I googled it and got a firm in Aussie-land.

[62 Max]

Dammit Troy, your stealing my idea again.... 

Two minds thinking alike........... Headers with electric dumps............ 

You SOB- I'm planning on doing that to the Charger!  No lie.......  A friend has them and they're awesome!

Put a "good" exhaust system on it !!

[Highbanked Hauler]

You SOB- I'm planning on doing that to the Charger!  No lie.......  A friend has them and they're awesome!

Google   "NTT Racing" they have all types of vintage reproduction race tires. Some with (GOOD YEAR) white lettering.   There is also an e-bay store north of Charlotte Nc.  "racing tires" I think  the name is and he has a huge amount of used stock car tires.   I think that is what I am going to do on mine also.

Al, is that the Australian company? I googled it and got a firm in Aussie-land.

   Troy, I didn't notice where they were. What struck me was "tYres" so you are probably right. sorry..

[hemi68charger]

   Troy, I didn't notice where they were. What struck me was "tYres" so you are probably right. sorry..

Yeap, that's the British version of our "American" tire........

[pettybird]

Dammit Troy, your stealing my idea again.... 

Two minds thinking alike........... Headers with electric dumps............ 

and maybe a tad late to the party. Marty's been wearing them for years 

[41husk]

That would look great on a clone

[hotrod98]

I installed a set of the electric dumps on a 69 runner. The strange thing is, they would work sometimes and sometimes they wouldn't. I tried to open them up on stage at the Mecum auction last year but the stupid things decided to not work. Dangit.....

[hemi68charger]

That would look great on a clone

or a real C500...........

[Dave Kanofsky]

That would look great on a clone

or a real C500...........

[41husk]

Touche pussy cat!

[HPP]

Current nascar rims are 9.5" wide.  you can get them at any number of places, Bart, Diamond, Aero, etc.  There is a place that makes vintage nascar wheels if you want to get real serious looking. I forget the name, but I think someone has mentioned them here previously.

For tires, try these guys; http://www.rogerkrausracing.com/

[oldcarnut]

Current nascar rims are 9.5" wide.  you can get them at any number of places, Bart, Diamond, Aero, etc.  There is a place that makes vintage nascar wheels if you want to get real serious looking. I forget the name, but I think someone has mentioned them here previously.

For tires, try these guys; http://www.rogerkrausracing.com/

There's a few other sources listed on a couple of threads I started 4 yrs ago.  I can't believe that much time has passed by and I'm only just a little further progress on my car 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,60064.0.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,67082.0.html

[hemi68charger]

Doug,
I know you and Gary mentioned the Clements as the GN wheels used, but wasn't that starting in '72? Based on these pictures, it looks like deep steelies are more appropriate for the '69 racing year? I was thinking 15x8 for a street production Daytona like mine.

[hemi68charger]

Doug... Saw your answer on Moparts........ 

[Aero426]

The trick if you go in the direction of steelies is getting them with the right deep dish look.    You can't exactly duplicate the stamping of the centers,  but BART made up a set of wheels for a Lorenzen 63 replica that looked better IMO than how stock Mopar centers look. 

[hemi68charger]

The trick if you go in the direction of steelies is getting them with the right deep dish look.    You can't exactly duplicate the stamping of the centers,  but BART made up a set of wheels for a Lorenzen 63 replica that looked better IMO than how stock Mopar centers look. 

Thanks... I see their website, but I take it the wheel you pictured is a wheel they make on the fly/demand. I'll send them an email...... Now, another big question. If I have a negative offset of 4" instead of the typical 4.5", would that make the wheel/tire postion, on a street car, too close to the fender? I take it instead of 3.5" positive offset on a 4.5" negative offset, I'd have a split of 4" and 4"... Obviously, the look I want is a FULL wheel well, but also want street driveability.....

[hemi68charger]

The trick if you go in the direction of steelies is getting them with the right deep dish look.    You can't exactly duplicate the stamping of the centers,  but BART made up a set of wheels for a Lorenzen 63 replica that looked better IMO than how stock Mopar centers look.  

Just got an email from Rick and this is what he will build (trailer wheel).. Unfortunately, doesn't have the same look.. Won't do......

[cdr]

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/wvi-63-581204/overview/

[cdr]

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/wvi-63-5012052/overview/

[hemi68charger]

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/wvi-63-581204/overview/

Those are the ones I've got my eyes on... I'm curious on the 4" backside versus the normal 4.5"....

[Aero426]

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/wvi-63-581204/overview/

The raised nubs on the center for the hub caps make those wheels a no-workie in my book.   

[hemi68charger]

The raised nubs on the center for the hub caps make those wheels a no-workie in my book.  

I agree Doug, but the ones that BART does look weird with the huge circle...  

PS: Now that I look at the wheels of Daytona/Superbird race cars of '69 and '70, they do seem to have the larger center hub circle like the ones shown on BARTS's website... I just emailed him on pricing.. Who knows, they may be way too expensive and it would be a mute point.......

[JB400]

What if you done something like this guy done?

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=627701

You'd probably better find a professional to do it, but at least you could get the look you're looking for.
You just need to find a regular set of 15 in. wheels that have the correct centers.

[cdr]

look at these wheels

[hemi68charger]

look at these wheels

Those are the ones I can get my hands on, but I'm more into the solid look since that was the primary wheel look between 69 and 70...

[Budnicks]

The trick if you go in the direction of steelies is getting them with the right deep dish look.    You can't exactly duplicate the stamping of the centers,  but BART made up a set of wheels for a Lorenzen 63 replica that looked better IMO than how stock Mopar centers look.  

Just got an email from Rick and this is what he will build (trailer wheel).. Unfortunately, doesn't have the same look.. Won't do......

Another Bart's {me} advice, try Stockton Wheel @ www.stocktonwheel.com , they will either widen an existing rim/wheel or make a wheel for you, reasonably priced too...

[Redbird]

I think they would look great at an auto show.

If the racing slicks do not have DOT approval, my opinion is that anyone driving them on a street car deserves the biggest ticket that can be written. Driving a car with racing slicks, Bonneville tires, or drag slicks on the street is just irresponsible.

[C5X DAYTONA]

I think they would look great at an auto show.

If the racing slicks do not have DOT approval, my opinion is that anyone driving them on a street car deserves the biggest ticket that can be written. Driving a car with racing slicks, Bonneville tires, or drag slicks on the street is just irresponsible.

Mr. Irresponsible.   

[hemi68charger]

I think they would look great at an auto show.

If the racing slicks do not have DOT approval, my opinion is that anyone driving them on a street car deserves the biggest ticket that can be written. Driving a car with racing slicks, Bonneville tires, or drag slicks on the street is just irresponsible.

Mr. Irresponsible.   

Now, that's the stance I'm looking for. What are the wheel dimensions on that? I'll probably get an example of the G7 or Cobra Goodyears....

[41husk]

Troy, I hope you avoided last nights twisters.

[hemi68charger]

Troy, I hope you avoided last nights twisters.

Yeah Brother, they didn't come down here. We're too far South in Houston. Bad news, woke up this morning and heard the lastest, 6 people lost their lives.....

I know Allen lives up there, so I hope he's doing well.....

[1970Moparmann]

Those would look AWESOME on the 500 Troy!   

[41husk]

glad to here you and yours are safe, Allen will be in my prayers.

[hemi68charger]

Those would look AWESOME on the 500 Troy!   

Yeap, with the black interior, black stripe and black deep steel wheels, the 500 would have a great stance........

[Highbanked Hauler]

 I always thought the stock car wheels of that era were widened Ford pu. wheels..   with the 5 X 5 lug pattern..

[Budnicks]

I think they would look great at an auto show.

If the racing slicks do not have DOT approval, my opinion is that anyone driving them on a street car deserves the biggest ticket that can be written. Driving a car with racing slicks, Bonneville tires, or drag slicks on the street is just irresponsible.

Mr. Irresponsible.   

Sweat... 

[Redbird]

The Goodyear web site is quite clear on use of it's race tires. Their web site says it is both dangerous and illegal to sell for use or use their race tires; for use on public streets or highways. The regulations they cite are FMVSS/ECE.

Somehow I'm thinking they have some engineers who have thought this out with good reasons. Should you have an accident, good luck having your insurance company or Goodyear help you. Do you loose your house if you hurt someone in an accident?

It just seems like a bonehead move to put race tires on a street car on so many levels.

[hemi68charger]

The Goodyear web site is quite clear on use of it's race tires. Their web site says it is both dangerous and illegal to sell for use or use their race tires; for use on public streets or highways. The regulations they cite are FMVSS/ECE.

Somehow I'm thinking they have some engineers who have thought this out with good reasons. Should you have an accident, good luck having your insurance company or Goodyear help you. Do you loose your house if you hurt someone in an accident?

It just seems like a bonehead move to put race tires on a street car on so many levels.

OK, we're getting sidetracked here.... For me personally, to quelch any thought of getting real racing tire slicks, it isn't happening. I'm looking for tires that are a nice profile with Goodyear accent markings.........

I'm finding that the "look" I want is a rather expensive endeavor to say the least. The expense thus far are the tires, a whopping $250+ per tire for the G7 and/or Cobras..... I'll keep trying and looking. Still waiting for Mr. Clement to get back to me on the pricing on 15x8 wheels.....

[hemi68charger]

This is cool...

http://www.racelinedigital.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6_75&products_id=1575&zenid=b71e052bbb01382539cad52b774f4c06

[pettybird]

This is cool...

http://www.racelinedigital.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6_75&products_id=1575&zenid=b71e052bbb01382539cad52b774f4c06

Too bad we couldn't find a paint to stick.  We did this with "Project Six Pack" at Best of Show.  We ended up re-doing 40% of the lettering every time we moved the car around.  Sidewalls flex a lot more than you'd think...even the skinnies up front.

Boy, it looked cool as a static display, though!

[C5X DAYTONA]

Like Redbird said.  You don't want these on the street for so many reasons.  But I'm a bonehead.  So I do.    They are very sticky and will pick up everything on the road.  They don't like water and they don't hold the air pressure long.    A good pound a week it seams like.    Also they are very thin and puncture easy.    My car has 15x10 Aero's all the way around with 4 inch back space in the rear and 4 1/2 up front..   The tires are 8.00 Blue Streak G7s.   If you want that look in the garage or on the track, their awesome.  But don't use them on public roads.    As for price,  I get scuffs at the local track.  $30 each.  Can't beat that. 

[Indygenerallee]

Aghh, DOT, I had a set of Nascar slicks on the back of my 1998 Dakota R/T that I put a 440 in and I drove it daily in the summer with those tires on it!

[Highbanked Hauler]

I'm looking for tires that are a nice profile with Goodyear accent markings.........

  Thats what I am looking for also as my 275-60-15 GoodYears  are now 18 years old and the sidewalls are cracking.  

[HPP]

There are no 15 Goodyears that are d.o.t. approved with the large, white 2" sidewall marking molded in to them that say Goodyear. That layout is reserved for all their competition tires. But, I can say that of the competition tires I've seen, the Goodyear was simply painted on and not a molded white layer like a street tire. That white layer actually adds unwnated weight to the tire, so all racing tires are made as blackwalls and the lettering is painted.

So, if you use the stencil show above, you could duplicate the appearence on any smooth sidewall tire. You might want to clean the sidewall really well and maybe wipe it down with some acetone immediatly prior to painting to generate some adhesion. Aoos don't lay down heavy coats, but keep it limited to a few light layers or they will crack.

[WINGIN IT]

Why not use something flexible like a white silicone instead of paint over the template?

[hemi68charger]

There are no 15 Goodyears that are d.o.t. approved with the large, white 2" sidewall marking molded in to them that say Goodyear. That layout is reserved for all their competition tires. But, I can say that of the competition tires I've seen, the Goodyear was simply painted on and not a molded white layer like a street tire. That white layer actually adds unwnated weight to the tire, so all racing tires are made as blackwalls and the lettering is painted.

So, if you use the stencil show above, you could duplicate the appearence on any smooth sidewall tire. You might want to clean the sidewall really well and maybe wipe it down with some acetone immediatly prior to painting to generate some adhesion. Aoos don't lay down heavy coats, but keep it limited to a few light layers or they will crack.

I've been browsing to see if there are any 255/60R/15's out there that have a smooth sidewall. None thus far... I'll keep looking.........

[oldcarnut]

I looked for a long time to find tires and or lettering to do this also for my rims without success. I ended up just getting pep boys futura super sports 255's  mounted black wall out.  They are not smooth but were not as pronounced as others. Would be nice if someone in the decal business found a way too cut the lettering out of adhesive backed rubber.  I'd give it a shot.   The painted way just doesn't last long.  Almost looked at the dirt track treaded tires.

[HPP]

There probably aren't any smooth sided tires out there. Too many manufactures use that area to advertise, even if they are blackwall. You may need to scuff them to smooth out the sidewall.  A tire grooving tool could do that or a "flapper" type sanding wheel used in a drill.

GO here: http://www.speedwaymotors.com/  look under oval track, tires, then tools. They have groovers and grinders for tires.

Yes, painting is not a longevity method. If you figure the average lifespan of a saturday night short track tires is measured in hours, the paint doesn't have too look good for long. As long as they are white for hte drive intros, it has served its purpose.

[Highbanked Hauler]

Why not use something flexible like a white silicone instead of paint over the template?

Good idea and i will do a little experimenting