Lady Judge gives "whatfor" to Boston Bombers and their family.

[Mike DC]

              

These terrorists don't fear death.  Or at least not enough to deter them.  Once cornered they will typically go out in hail of gunfire rather than surrender.  Martyrdom is the goal if they cannot get away with it.  


I'm fine & dandy with the idea of the USA executing terrorists.  But I don't think it has a lot of deterrent value.  Probably the most it does is prevent us from looking downright weak in the eyes of our middle eastern enemies.  IMHO it's worth doing, but not worth compromising our judicial principles to get it done a little faster.  




Legal due process has no place on a battlefield.  I fully agree about that.  

I guess I just don't see this bombing as an attack by a foreign country.  I see it as a couple of worthless punks listening to too much extremist crap and getting some big ideas.  Categorizing it as an act of war seems like a good idea right now but the long term implications are too dangerous IMHO. (9/11 is an exception.  That involved a lot of people, countries, money, coordination, etc.  The Boston bombers killed more people than these individual efforts usually do, but their "organization" consisted of two brothers and some tolerant parents.)

Once the govt gets the idea that they can call domestic individual crimes an "act of war" and suspend the perp's constitutional rights . . . that's a VERY BAD can of worms to open IMHO.  

What's to stop the govt from declaring it an "Act of War" to do a bunch of other stuff they don't like?  Like owning too many guns?  Or fighting the govt in just about any other way?  (We aren't far from calling certain cyber-activities AOW right now.)  A few years down the road the govt might be calling it an AOW to "interfere" with a corporation that has been awarded a govt contract of some kind.  Maybe "organizing" or "protesting" against the power structure at all equals declaring war on the govt . . .

The whole thing looks like we are setting ourselves up for a future loss of civil rights.  An "Act of War" is another country overtly attacking us militarily.  I do not want to see that definition widened, no matter how good of an idea it seems like at the time.  We already have plenty of legal room to fight domestic terrorism right now with the existing laws IMHO.  More manpower & money invested to fight it will do a lot more than giving the govt more leeway to take rights from the accused after the fact.  

[Cooter]

             
I guess I just don't see this bombing as an attack by a foreign country.  I see it as a couple of worthless punks listening to too much extremist crap and getting some big ideas.  Categorizing it as an act of war seems like a good idea right now but the long term implications are too dangerous IMHO. 9/11 is an exception.  That involved a lot of people, countries, money, coordination, etc.  The Boston bombers killed more people than these individual efforts usually do, but their "organization" consisted of two brothers and some tolerant parents.)

 

At least that's what people seem to think is the case. I fear it's ALOT broader than that. I fear they were just stupid in the execution of said "parties" that are still here.

[Tilar]

             

These terrorists don't fear death.  Or at least not enough to deter them.  Once cornered they will typically go out in hail of gunfire rather than surrender.  Martyrdom is the goal if they cannot get away with it.  


I'm fine & dandy with the idea of the USA executing terrorists.  But I don't think it has a lot of deterrent value.  Probably the most it does is prevent us from looking downright weak in the eyes of our middle eastern enemies.  IMHO it's worth doing, but not worth compromising our judicial principles to get it done a little faster.  

Hanging them in Times Square and televising it would be a deterrent. They don't want to go out by our hands, they want to go out a martyr.

[Mike DC]

 

Hanging them in Times Square and televising it would be a deterrent. They don't want to go out by our hands, they want to go out a martyr.

Then why do we call Christians martyrs for being publicly executed in the Roman arenas? 

It's a pretty universal truth throughout human history that being ceremoniously killed by your enemies qualifies you for martyrdom back home.  These terrorists might prefer to go out in a gunfight if they had the choice, but being executed isn't exactly going to stop them from becoming martyrs in the eyes of their fellow terrorists.   

[Fred]

 

The USA prides itself on giving all suspects due process.  Do we stick by our principles or not?  You find out how principled you really are when it's hard to abide by them, not when it's easy.   I believe it's THIS very thing that has caused the USA to become a "Haven" for these idiots. We cannot simply stick to "Due Process" when we are under attack. ALL, NOT just SOME is fair in love and WAR. When you commit an act of terrorism, it should be looked at as WAR. Your "due Process" shouldn't apply to these WAR bringing terrorists. I believe THIS is what she was referring to. No, I don't think You should recieve our "Principles" if you are here to rape, pillage, and basically, kill us. Your rights end where the ones you've killed lie. In the beginning, I believe the "Due process for everyone" was good idea...UNTIL these WAR waging people figured out how to exploit the USA and our Principles. We need to change our "Principles in order to keep up with the WAr wagers/killers/terrorists.  

It's not about being easy on the perp.  It's about convicting & punishing him without compromising who we are & lowering ourselves to their level. Again, THIS very thing is why we have these morons here in the first place. They KNOW full and well we are gonna stick to "Due Process" and it'll take 20 years if CONVICTED to be finally rid of them and they are dead. Well, those these two killed didn't recieve any "Due Process" and they died Instantly. No Appeals, No Court Dates, Nothing but D E A D.

I have no love for the Boston bombers.  I wouldn't personally give a f*ck if they got drawn & quartered in a public show, as long as some other country was responsible for it.  But there are principles involved in how the USA handles them.  Has nothing to do with anybody having love or hate for them. We shouldn't have allowed them to be terrorists. I cannot go to Mexico and commit a crime with the fear of being sentenced to life for some minor offense which would only get me about 5 years in the USA, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna go to Mexico and try and convince the Mexican politicans that they need to change their sentencing laws. It simply means I knew what I was getting into going there, so I keep my ass HERE. Stiffer laws means one helluva deterrant to commiting the crimes. It's simple. Even a dog can figure out if its wearing a shock collar, they will only get shocked a few times before they will NOT do it again. Let these Terrorists see one of their "Comrades" get put on the "Express lane" to death and they will think twice about trying it themselves. Sooner or later, if enough of them are dead, there won't be as much of a threat anymore. How many more will have to die at the hands of Terrorists before this country wakes up?






Yes, it's very scary for a judge to act like due process shouldn't apply when a perp is unpopular enough.  Nothing to do with being "Unpopular" IMO. It DOES have to do with Someone trying to re-create 9-11. You do it, the USA should have laws to combat this EVER happening again. Like maybe No due process for Acts of WAR, like Terrorism. The original Founding fathers could have NEVER forseen what the USA has had to deal with in the recent years. Therefore, it's time for an overhaul of the Way we treat terrorists.


We don't hire doctors & mechanics to decide who/what deserves a decent effort or not.  And we don't hire judges to decide who is worthy of due process or not.  We hire judges to be fair (but not always lenient) to everyone brought into their court, angel or devil.No, you are correct in what YOU believe...However, in the real world, it doesn't ness. work like it should. Just like the Judge's feelings here. A Prick will NEVER recieve the same "Go above and beyond" as the person who acted rationally. Plain and simple. Bout the only ones thta will ever have a problem with this is usually the ones that act like Douches. They will contest this to the end screaming they didn't recieve the "good" service, when their steak they sent back 3 times had a little "Extra" on it. Just my .02

I've got to say, I'm very much a "live and let live"........."each to his own" type of person. But not in this case. Not when it comes to Terrorists. Which is why I totally agree with everything Cooter has said.

[Tilar]

Hanging them in Times Square and televising it would be a deterrent. They don't want to go out by our hands, they want to go out a martyr.

Then why do we call Christians martyrs for being publicly executed in the Roman arenas? 

For the life of me I can't seem to remember the last time I saw that happen.

[Daytona R/T SE]

Shotgun blast to the knees...

Feed them to the hogs...

Alive...

On national TV.

[skip68]

I think the terrorist that's still alive should be dealt with "without prejudice" and just simply quietly disappear.     

[Tilar]

Shotgun blast to the knees...

Feed them to the hogs...

Alive...

On national TV.

I like the way you think. 

[Fred]

             

These terrorists don't fear death.  Or at least not enough to deter them.  Once cornered they will typically go out in hail of gunfire rather than surrender.  Martyrdom is the goal if they cannot get away with it.  


I'm fine & dandy with the idea of the USA executing terrorists.  But I don't think it has a lot of deterrent value.  Probably the most it does is prevent us from looking downright weak in the eyes of our middle eastern enemies.  IMHO it's worth doing, but not worth compromising our judicial principles to get it done a little faster.  

Hanging them in Times Square and televising it would be a deterrent.

After all, they certainly wouldn't hesitate making an example of you. Even if you haven't done anything wrong.

[Steve P.]

I watched as much of the judge as I could take.. She is only doing what she is told to make big ratings.. NONE of us want someone to get away with doing anything evil. Yet, many want to cut down the orchard for a few bad fruit.

The mother in this story is doing what mothers do.. : Your son just robbed a bank and shot someone in the street by accident. Now your wife goes in front of the camera and says: He has allllllways been a good boy. Loving and caring and helping little old ladies at the crosswalks. Sound about right?? Play it the other way: He is like this because he had a rough life.. or : His father treated him like crap. or any other number of things, but you will come back with the same answer for any other mother or kid. Matter of fact if she said: That kid has always been a pain in the ass you would STILL give the woman shit!!  "Well then why didn't you ABORT the little bassard!!!!! " 

She says: He never disliked Americans for the way they are.. YUP. I understand what she means only because I understand that people from other parts of the WORLD do not speak in the same framing of things we do.. She did not mean, (PIECE OF SHIT AMERICANS). She only meant that her sons didn't take issue with anyone. Meaning she didn't see cause.... But we all look at it as she is saying (YOU LOW LIFE PILES OF CRAP).. Why, because maybe it makes us feel better about hating her and her kids and her kind, but also because the MEDIA and this (JUDGE), are TELLING you to hate her.. Take what she says as a rub!!  At the end of the segment she probably smiled and said: There's an emmy!!!  Just ask yourself this: How would Walter Cronkite have done that clip.....

And Skip is right.. We are not barbarians. MOst of us even walk on just our feet!! It's a damn shame we can'T ALL act civil ...

[Mike DC]

Public executions weren't abolished in the western world 100 years ago because people suddenly lost the stomach for them.  They were abolished because people still enjoyed them to a sick degree like ancient Romans watching an arena show, and it had little or no effect on crime rates either way. 

Public executions have historically been more about the rulers/govt demonstrating its power than about deterring citizens from hurting each other.




As for middle eastern terrorists -

They live in places where that kind of public violence is normal.  If we started publicly executing their people over here, it would shock them about as much as we get shocked by seeing a guy getting pulled over & arrested on the side of the highway.   

[Fred]

Public executions weren't abolished in the western world 100 years ago because people suddenly lost the stomach for them.  They were abolished because people still enjoyed them to a sick degree like ancient Romans watching an arena show, and it had little or no effect on crime rates either way.  

Public executions have historically been more about the rulers/govt demonstrating its power than about deterring citizens from hurting each other.




As for middle eastern terrorists -

They live in places where that kind of public violence is normal.  If we started publicly executing their people over here, it would shock them about as much as we get shocked by seeing a guy getting pulled over & arrested on the side of the highway.    

That much is true. You make a valid point.

[polywideblock]

find out what sort of execution they DON'T like ,in some cultures its hanging for example .if your hung you don't go to"heaven" .find out which it is with Muslims and then go overboard with the  add campain show it on u tube etc  put it in their faces,if you come here and do this this is what will happen to you.  you won't go to heaven and have your 7 virgins etc  .its the only way to get through the brain washing they go through its all about religion so cut out the option of going to heaven for them.seems simple hit them where it hurts   

[redmist]

Great speach from the Judge save for the military court BS...

If they are citizens of the United States, no matter how corrupt the system is, they get due process.

Sure any of us can be detained, and held forever under the guise of terror now that we have NDAA, but that is a different matter... uh sorta! 

[Fred]

find out what sort of execution they DON'T like ,in some cultures its hanging for example .if your hung you don't go to"heaven" .find out which it is with Muslims and then go overboard with the  add campain show it on u tube etc  put it in their faces,if you come here and do this this is what will happen to you.  you won't go to heaven and have your 7 virgins etc  .its the only way to get through the brain washing they go through its all about religion so cut out the option of going to heaven for them.seems simple hit them where it hurts   

Of course, you may find in that case that they'll be even more prepared to blow themselves up along with the intended.

[polywideblock]

also on the subject of burial at sea ,i seem to remember that they got all bent out of shape when they found out ossama's body had been dumped at sea. think they even hired a western salvage comp. to try to recover his body,so policy  should be all terrorist buried at sea! cause they clearly don't like that. they've got you by the short and currlies so grab them be the left one and squeeze.

[Tilar]

If we started publicly executing their people over here, it would shock them about as much as we get shocked by seeing a guy getting pulled over & arrested on the side of the highway.   

I don't think so. I think it would shock them because our government has a tendency of just rolling over and licking the bone instead of actually doing something as a deterrent.

Take the "war on drugs" as a good example, They don't want a deterrent because if people stop using drugs they don't get the money from fines. Lethal injection or public hanging would be a deterrent. Joe Blow getting a fine means nothing to me but leave him hanging in the street for a day and I'll think twice about it as I drive by.

[Cooter]

I've seen it happen before. You stand on your morals/ethics/principles, and sooner or later, you WILL HAVE to get down into the sewer cause that's where these people crawled out from. YOu simply cannot stand by idle and state "We aren't Barbarians" and think that "rocks and sticks" will put out a Forest fire. This thing has gotten evil and the USA will have to get a little Evil in order to prevail AGAINST Evil. Sometimes, you have to go through hell in order to get to Heaven. These people are Counting on the USA standing on their morals when they have none. You simply cannot fight this thing by standing on your principles. We can try, but sooner or later, we will have to get nasty with these bastards. I for one am tired of seeing this thing from the outside looking in. People in this country don't go to their country and get a GREAT education, make up all their countries money and send it here, get all but free med. insurance for their 50 kids, etc. We don't go there even as much as some here hate these people, yet, they come HERE and kill our people. I for one am tired of standing on the US's Principles. It's time to get nasty and begin to put an end to this thing.  I don't care who they think they are, when Japan bombed PH in the 40's, the words of the Leader I can still hear. "I fear we have awakened the sleeping giant"...

Make it known to these people if you wake the "sleeping giant" he has more to his bite than his bark. Right now, All I see coming from the USA is alotta noise from a barking dog. Once a show of force is applied, even the hardest head is cracked, people learn real quick who NOT to f*ck with.

[Mike DC]

I don't think so. I think it would shock them because our government has a tendency of just rolling over and licking the bone instead of actually doing something as a deterrent.

There is a statistic that at least 90% of the kids under 16 in Afghanistan these days have never even heard of the 9/11 attack.  I think we can assume they aren't doing a careful review of our judicial system before deciding to get involved with fighting the USA.  

They probably go into their missions overestimating how brutally we would treat them, if anything.


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It's time to get nasty and begin to put an end to this thing.  I don't care who they think they are, when Japan bombed PH in the 40's, the words of the Leader I can still hear. "I fear we have awakened the sleeping giant"...

Make it known to these people if you wake the "sleeping giant" he has more to his bite than his bark. Right now, All I see coming from the USA is alotta noise from a barking dog. Once a show of force is applied, even the hardest head is cracked, people learn real quick who NOT to f*ck with.

IMHO they already awoke the sleeping giant back in 2001.  The giant invaded, pursued their rebels, stayed for a decade, killed the rebel leader, tried to set up a saner government, and gradually began to withdraw. 

And all the while, the same handful of extremists who originally attacked us in 2001 have never stopped recruiting crops of fresh local teenagers ready to do the same thing.   

What other option do we have?  We can either nuke & pave the whole country or else we can do what we have done.  Publicly lynching a few more individual bombers when we catch them alive over here isn't going to make a significant difference IMHO.

   

[JB400]

All they know of us it through propaganda.

[skip68]

Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire and stop turning the other cheek.    I'm sure we have teams that go out looking for these nutjob radicals and make them disappear and we never hear about it.     I have a feeling the Muslim community is going to start stepping up and aid us more.   I hope they do because this is a problem that's really starting to affect the trust Americans have in them.   That's what one of the Muslim leaders said.     I personally don't know how they're going to fix this problem because the Muslim connection to terrorists is worldwide.     

           For the very reason that this is a worldwide problem we can't simply nuke them.  Just exactly where do we point the missiles. ?       The Muslim leader that told CNN that these Muslim radicals in their community are equivalent to our gangs in America is probably right.   They're fanned out everywhere so we don't have a single main target to hit unfortunately.   

[Mytur Binsdirti]

The mother in this story is doing what mothers do.. : Your son just robbed a bank and shot someone in the street by accident. Now your wife goes in front of the camera and says: He has allllllways been a good boy. Loving and caring and helping little old ladies at the crosswalks. Sound about right??

Except that this mother was on the terrorist watch list. This mother is also a thief and fled the US to avoid prosecution.....after having hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars just handed to them in the form of food, housing, health, tuition, etc. Have you not heard her press conference where she ranted about just just going ahead and killing the other son? Yup, she's just like every other mother.

The Rooskies even have a taped a conversation she had with the dead son about jihad. Also, these two sons didn't accidently shoot someone. They plotted a mass killing and even went so far as to put the bomb next to an 8 year old boy.

The willingness of those who try to defend and rationalize these mosters is as mind boggling as their heinous act of terrorism.

[Cooter]

If this Radical thing is a worldwide problem, I wonder why I never hear/see anything about Flying planes into the Eiffel Tower in France and killing 3K people. Wonder when the Queen of England will have British/English planes flown into her Mansion? Wonder when China will have these radicals fly some of "Hanoi's airlines" planes into a Highrise/Fuel depot?


No, this has to do with hatered for the US of A. Although I agree that if the entire WORLD would get involved in Killing a few of these radicals when acts of Terrorism are committed, then maybe the Muslim radicals will become the "Minority", and the USA can get back to Believing that the Muslim community is a Gentle/Peaceful one like the Religion seems to propagate it is.

[Tilar]

There is a statistic that at least 90% of the kids under 16 in Afghanistan these days have never even heard of the 9/11 attack.

   

There is also a statistic that says 85% of all statistics are made up on the fly.