Explosion in Boston

[Mytur Binsdirti]

It's not really, but kind of funny that we blame 1 religion as a whole for everything. How soon we forget about the many who had been fondled and raped by the very priests of another religion. No, those people are not dead, but scarred for life.  

That is true, however, when that all came to light they did admit it and they paid a heavy price. I would like to think that the Catholic church did take steps to (hopefully) put an end to this. But, do/did those in the Catholic church endorse pedophilia? Of course not. Do/did members of the Catholic church speak out about it. Yes they do/did.  

Did you not read the USA Today article? There is a MAJOR terrorism problem with Islamics, and deflecting criticism and ignoring that issue because it's not PC won't change things.


Please read this and then tell us if you think that there is or isn't a problem...............

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foiled_Islamic_terrorist_plots_in_the_post-9/11_United_States

[skip68]

We locked down the city of Boston because of a 19 year old punk bomber.  Nobody in or out.  We need to do the same with our country, no more visa's for those trying to get in for awhile.   America's closed for repairs.    

           I FULLY understand about not offending a group of people BUT we can't ignore there's a problem anymore and neither can they.    If they want to be American, live here and enjoy this way of life (freedom) then they must do their part to preserve it.   That means not only understanding the need for stopping more from coming in but also reporting radicals within their group.    

[skip68]

That Church took responsibility for the problem.   They had to because of public and probably government pressure.    They knew they had a problem and they had to start taking care of it.    The same needs to be done in this circumstance.    That "peaceful church saw some signs of the older bombers radical behavior and did nothing.........The Uncle new and said his nephew was brainwashed yet did nothing to alert authorities.       If we can't trust these people to do the right thing then what the heck can we do?        They need to live by our law or leave.

[sunfire69]

Sorry Skip...that just isn't going to happen......the Islamic way of life is where the ultimate loyality lies.....they will never willingly give up a fellow muslim.....and another poster was right...it's not just a religon...it's a way of life...it's their law.....people don't understand that

[Mike DC]

             
I don't think you guys have any sense of how many people 2.5 million is.  


If that many people in the USA were all part of a single group that secretly wanted to see the rest of us Terrorist-attacked and exterminated, we would be dealing with a dozen bombings per week in the USA.  Right now we aren't dealing with a dozen bombings per decade - and we spent most of the last decade at war/occupying two Muslim nations at the same time.  


Do you guys understand how small a lot of this stuff really is?  I once heard a very well-informed expert on the Afghanistan situation say that we've gotten maybe 2000 Al Qaida people in the last decade, and no way is there still another 2000 of them out there to get.  He was suggesting that there were/are less than 4000 of the real troublemakers IN AFGHANISTAN.  There are not thousands of these people here in the USA.  


Should we still be still be concerned?  Yes.

Should we still be investing manpower & resources trying to aggressively hunt down domestic threats?  Yes.

Should we get our panties in a crunch about a population of Muslims living in the USA and start treating them all like potential criminals?  No.  

   

[sunfire69]

Should we treat them like criminals...No....
Should we watch the group more closely Yes.....
That is 2.5 million willing to help hide the few it takes to do the dirty work...I believe we will see more of this....it's happening more often than most people realize....

[Mytur Binsdirti]

             

Do you guys understand how small a lot of this stuff really is?    

 

I guess you're right. 29 Islamic terrorist "incidents" in this country in the past 11 years is just small potatos.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foiled_Islamic_terrorist_plots_in_the_post-9/11_United_States

I guess all these are just anecdotal also....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks


I get it, nothing to worry about; it's the new normal. Move along.    

[Paul G]

             
I don't think you guys have any sense of how many people 2.5 million is. 

If that many people in the USA were all part of a single group that secretly wanted to see the rest of us Terrorist-attacked and exterminated, we would be dealing with a dozen bombings per week in the USA.  Right now we aren't dealing with a dozen bombings per decade - and we spent most of the last decade at war/occupying two Muslim nations at the same time. 


Do you guys understand how small a lot of this stuff really is?  I once heard a very well-informed expert on the Afghanistan situation say that we've gotten maybe 2000 Al Qaida people in the last decade, and no way is there still another 2000 of them out there to get.  He was suggesting that there were/are less than 4000 of the real troublemakers IN AFGHANISTAN.  There are not thousands of these people here in the USA. 


Should we still be still be concerned?  Yes.

Should we still be investing manpower & resources trying to aggressively hunt down domestic threats?  Yes.

Should we get our panties in a crunch about a population of Muslims living in the USA and start treating them all like potential criminals?  No. 

   

Lets ask then how many dead Americans due to Muslim Jihad are acceptable for you? What number of people with limbs blown off each year by them should we consider normal? Then by your thinking we might still be in okay shape? I wonder how the mamed people in Boston feel about the problem.

[Budnicks]

             

Do you guys understand how small a lot of this stuff really is?   
 

I guess you're right. 29 Islamic terrorist "incidents" in this country in the past 11 years is just small potatos.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foiled_Islamic_terrorist_plots_in_the_post-9/11_United_States

I guess all these are just anecdotal also....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks
I get it, nothing to worry about; it's the new normal. Move along.    

one hell of a list there,  yes I do understand 2.5 million of 300 million is 0.00083% of our approximate current population, still way to damn many, murdering jihadist terrorists... 

[skip68]

That's my thought about the numbers game.  I don't care if there's 500 or 500 million.  I go by the numbers of attacks and attempts.   Saying there's 2.5 million and only a handfull of those are radicals is the same as saying that's an acceptable amount of loss by population/percentage.       To me that comes across as if we're throwing our hands in the air and saying "what can we do" and keep looking the other way.   This is a problem that's growing worldwide also.

             

Right now we aren't dealing with a dozen bombings per decade -
   

    Right now?  At what point do we say enough is enough?     

[XH29N0G]

This is still going too far and is (almost) heading down the road that arguments against some types of guns are going. 

The bottom line is that we need to stop terrorists from killing.  If there is a good reason to make a connection with a terrorist group, then it should be made and can be used as a basis for decisions, but simply saying that these folks are this religion, this race, or from some other country isn't going to cut it without a significant curtailing of people's rights.  When rights get cut arbitrarily, it can start a trickle down.   

[stripedelete]

This is still going too far and is (almost) heading down the road that arguments against some types of guns are going.  

The bottom line is that we need to stop terrorists from killing.  If there is a good reason to make a connection with a terrorist group, then it should be made and can be used as a basis for decisions, but simply saying that these folks are this religion, this race, or from some other country isn't going to cut it without a significant curtailing of people's rights.  When rights get cut arbitrarily, it can start a trickle down.  

Unless I've missed something, this has been a very civil discussion.  But,,,,maybe its run its course.

To your other point of "trickle down", I'm surprised that hasn't come up sooner.  IMO, not singling out Muslims takes away more of our rights and has already sent us down that slippery slope.  It's called the Patriot Act.  Repeal the Patriot Actand start focusing our resources on the segment of our population called "Muslims" in which WE KNOW the subset "terrorists" reside.

We have all lost a significant amount of our rights already because of Muslim terrorists.

[skip68]

I think it's been very civil.   

[Paul G]

We need to address the problem for what it is. It is not Christian terrorist, not Budhist terrorist, not Hindu terrorist, It is Muslim terrorsit who have attacked us time and again. Calling it anything else is just foolish. It has nothing to do with the good Muslim family attending a service at the Muslim Mosque in "Whatever Town USA", unless they have given reason for suspicion. When a certain demographic has been known to "blow himself up in a crowd", we need to be suspicious of anyone who fits that demographic. I have to partially undress everytime I get on an airplane as does everyone else. Is that fair to me? So looking twice at someone who fits the "blow himself up" criteria may not be fair either.So be it, It keeps Israel safer, and it will help keep us safer too.

[XH29N0G]

It has been civil, did not mean to imply that.  

Just too much focus for my taste on the Muslim part rather than the terrorist part.    

(last two posts came in while I was typing). 

[Paul G]

If there are 2.5 million Muslims in the US how come I dont know any of them? Dont even know where a Muslim Mosque would be in the valley. Where are these people and what do they do to contribute? I just attended a car show at a Christian Church last Sunday. Food pantry's and other types of community assistance is widely provided by religous groups. I never hear anything about the muslims giving back?

[Paul G]

It has been civil, did not mean to imply that. 

Just too much focus for my taste on the Muslim part rather than the terrorist part.   

(last two posts came in while I was typing). 

Well who have the terrorists been?

[skip68]

I have to partially undress everytime I get on an airplane as does everyone else. Is that fair to me? So looking twice at someone who fits the "blow himself up" criteria may not be fair either.So be it,

 Good point.    

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Just too much focus for my taste on the Muslim part rather than the terrorist part.    
 

When I start to see multiple Catholics, Protestants, Jewish, Hinus, Jehova's Witness, Buddists, Athiests, Scientologists, Baptists, Universalists, Pentacostals (to name a few) blowing themselves and others up in the name of their religion, then I will agree with you. However, as distasteful as you may find it, the facts are what they are.

[Tilar]

It has been civil, did not mean to imply that.  

Just too much focus for my taste on the Muslim part rather than the terrorist part.    

(last two posts came in while I was typing). 

Muslim and terrorist go hand in hand. Burying heads in the sand doesn't make it go away and the sooner people realise this, the sooner we can get a handle on it.

[skip68]

The Muslims did help tip off authorities about an attack on a train in Canada on the 22'nd.   The Muslims wanted everybody to know it was because of the Muslims tip that this attack was prevented.   That shows right there that they know more than us.   I can only hope they did this for the right reasons.   Maybe they are doing damage control?     The Muslim community knows it's got some bad problems and people don't trust them.   I hope they are going to start cleaning house and make teaching peace with ALL people priority.  

[Paul G]

And one more thing while I am still standing on this soap box. The dead terrorist, Tamerlin, was in the sights of the US gvmnt. He was denied citizenship because of his previous actions. The Russians warned us to watch him on more than one occasion. Yet he was able to slip through and commit his act of terror. Same goes for Benghazi. We knew the US embassy was not secure yet nothing was done there to protect and/or prevent the deaths of more Americans. Who would be responsible for that screw up? (Answer not wanted or expected here)

[Paul G]

Time for some Jack and Coke

[Tilar]

The Muslims did help tip off authorities about an attack on a train in Canada on the 22'nd.   The Muslims wanted everybody to know it was because of the Muslims tip that this attack was prevented.   That shows right there that they know more than us.   I can only hope they did this for the right reasons.   Maybe they are doing damage control?     The Muslim community knows it's got some bad problems and people don't trust them.   I hope they are going to start cleaning house and make teaching peace with ALL people priority.  

Probably a scam setup to try to gain trust. If they knew about it ahead of time, they are part of the same team.

Time for some Jack and Coke

Sounds like a plan! 

[Mytur Binsdirti]

The dead terrorist, Tamerlin,

Because the younger terrorist brother ran him over as he fled, on Boston talk radio, he is being referred to as "Speedbump".