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[duanesterrr]

DUANESTERRR : Zeitgeist  is yet another tool to make people think.. I love the movie and effort they put into it, but I am afraid it may cause some to fight here... So please, watch it if you like but lets not go to war here.... It can be seen free on YOUTUBE.. There are many people whom have put it up, but a few are long and the only ones worth watching as they explain well their thiery.

Agree 100%.  Just something to get the wheels turning I know its not 100% truth.  I don't mean to start any trouble.  All I will say is that certain people benefit from war more then others.  Whether its oil companies or defense contractors.  Billions of taxpayer money flows into the pockets of a few.  It is my opinion that religion is the catalyst but the end game always has to do with money.  Keep in mind my opinion is barely worth   

[Mytur Binsdirti]

The big thing is that we don't do as they do and so they use their religion to say we are wrong..

And if "we" don't beleive in what they beleive in, we must die. I'm not trying to get a thread locked, but is there any other religion that has followers who beleive this philosophy? You can't deny that there is a movement in this country to bury "our" heads in the sand and be completely pc by not uttering the words Muslim terrorists. I'd even go so far to say that many of the ultra liberals in the media were hoping and salivating with the thought that the bombers were right wing nutsjobs.

[stripedelete]

   


Show me a decent size "Holy War" in the history of mankind that wasn't rooted in something much less noble.  

There's a reason that the Muslim world has suddenly developed such a big grudge against the West during the last few decades.  It has a lot more to do with our muscle cars than our religion.  


I'm not saying they didn't always hate the West - I'm saying they didn't always care enough to act on it.  

 

My point is we CAN identify our enemy and he is MUSLIM.  So, lets not let any more into the country.

[Paul G]

I have not read the Muslim holy book, the Koran, so I don't profess to know everything about the Muslin religion. All I know is what I hear and read. In the Koran it is written that we are infidels, any one who does not believe in Allah, or convert willingly to Islam is an infidel. Some sects in the Muslin religion, some not all, believe they have the right to kill infidels. It is Jihad or holy war. These sects believe it is their duty to eradicate the world of infidels and leave only those who believe in Allah. 

I had Hanity on the radio today on the way home from work. He had some woman on there named Bachman  , She was saying that or govmtn has removed any reference of Muslin, jihad, holy war, infidel, and any passages in the Koran that refers to killing infidels from the instructional classes given to military officers in training, and any other training to FBI, CIA, etc. Can you believe that! 

[Mike DC]

                    
There are 2.5+ million Muslims living in the USA these days.  

When you compare that figure to 3100 Americans killed by Muslim terrorism in the USA during the last 40-50 years, that starts looking like a pretty ineffective invading army we're dealing with.  

And the death toll from 9/11, while tragic, was largely unforeseeable luck on their part, since the WTC elevators were designed not to be blocked by an airliner hit.  If you assess the threat with that fact in mind, then the total death toll directly attributable to the diabolical efforts of Muslim Terrorists in the USA probably falls down to a few hundred people in the last 40-50 years.




On the other hand, what if we applied that kind of statistical comparison to guns and gun violence?  

[Paul G]

                   
There are 2.5+ million Muslims living in the USA these days. 

When you compare that figure to 3100 Americans killed by Muslim terrorism in the USA during the last 40-50 years, that starts looking like a pretty ineffective invading army we're dealing with. 

Tell me how many other organized groups throughout the world have come to our shores with intent to kill innocent civilians? Lets then compare the numbers.

[Tilar]

Except for the fact that it was NOT an religion that did this. You cannot hold a group for what a few did. Yet this is the regular thing to do here.. I see this everywhere. One black person is said to have done something and it becomes ALL THOSE N----S!!!!! One Indian and it's ALL THOSE,,,,,, ... Many people prove themselves to be a pile of shit every day, but we don't label the entire RACE of WHITE PEOPLE or some dope from Texas and we don't launch war against TEXAS!!!! Everything under the sun has been used on the POTUS except things like, POTUS, Barrack Obama, The President, Mr, President etc.

Actually it is the religion and it's being proven all across the world in nearly every nation. It's not just a few that everyone is holding accountable, it's the majority that you hear about. Now I agree that there are possibly some muslims that are against these actions just like I believe not all democrats want to move to socialism and destroy this once great country, but face it, the only way Islam could be considered the religion of peace that they claim it to be would be by forcing everyone into submission and accepting it. AND if you look up the definition of muslim, you'll find "Origin:  < Arabic,  literally, a person who submits. See Islam "

As far as the "POTUS" goes, Respect is earned and not served on a platter; besides it's hard to respect a man that doesn't even respect the position he's in.

[Tilar]

 
Many crimes involve people using guns.  It doesn't take many guns to do a lot of damage.  In fact the biggest serial shootings have usually been the work of just one or two individuals.  One or two shooters, dozens of people hurt or killed. 



So, why not pass a law saying that if you own a gun, then that gives the police probable cause stop and search you at any time, anywhere?  In fact let's order the police to do this to you routinely by default.  (Crazy?  Yeah, but I assure you that millions of American voters would vote in favor of this.)


Now let's take it a step farther.  Let's say that if you come from a family of gun owners, then you are automatically put in the "search on sight" category regardless of whether or not you ever actually bought a gun yourself.  You stay there for the rest of your life no matter how clean your record is.  Your kids make the list too.  They also get pulled over and searched often.  Their grandfather purchased a gun legally, he never did anything wrong with it.  But him, you, and all of your descendants are grouped as "potential suspects" just because a small percentage of gun owners have lashed out and tragically killed a few handfuls of people.




This is what racial profiling is.

Umm, no. That is not racial profiling by my understanding of the definition.

Now if people from the middle east, or all blacks, or all whites or (insert any actual "race" here) were using a lot of guns to do a lot of damage, and we pass a law that says if any paticular one of them owns a gun then you are automatically put in the "search on sight" category. THAT is racial profiling.

And considering that more people die from falling every year than from guns, maybe we should profile all clumsy people. oh but that wouldn't be racial profiling either.   

[skip68]

   WOW!  The mother of these bombers is just as crazy.  I just heard her on the phone saying "if they kill my other son, I don't care....I want the world to here that. Allah, is all I'm gonna say."      These F'd up Islamic/Muslims have no respect or value for human life outside of Allah.......   Sorry, but I'm not speaking religion.   This is nothing more than a large cult and I'm not recognizing them as a religion.    

[Paul G]

A short story,

Lansing, Illinois. A friend of mine got on the police force there. He was young and eager to do his job. He wrote lots of tickets, legally pulled over what he considered suspicious looking vehicles and put his fair share of gang bangers in the back of the squad.

Now Lansing is a changing city. It is racially diverse and becoming more diverse. It is a southern suburb of Chicago. When the honorable Mayor of Chicago, Richard J. Daley, tore down the tenements and the other low income housing projects the fine residents of those dwellings had to find another place to hang...er I mean live. So that is one of the reasons Lansing is becoming more diverse.

Now my friend, who considered himself to be doing a fine job for the people of Lansing was called in to the captains office. He was told that he must cut back on his amount of arrests of the minority's. His record is looking like he is profiling a particular race of people. He has to be a little more diverse. He was taken aback by this, what was he doing wrong he thought? His arrests were all warranted and legal, just not a good thing for his career to keep doing things this way.

So he had to start looking the other way to an extent just to appease the captain and not look like he was profiling. And the little gang bangers once again could roam a little freer.

Is it the beginning to the end?

[Mike DC]

Umm, no. That is not racial profiling by my understanding of the definition.

Now if people from the middle east, or all blacks, or all whites or (insert any actual "race" here) were using a lot of guns to do a lot of damage, and we pass a law that says if any paticular one of them owns a gun then you are automatically put in the "search on sight" category. THAT is racial profiling.

And considering that more people die from falling every year than from guns, maybe we should profile all clumsy people. oh but that wouldn't be racial profiling either.   Wink

Racial profiling, from the experience of the "profiled" is being considered suspect because of something you inherited that you had zero control over.  Something that doesn't necessarily even reflect anything negative, it is only correlated with it in crime statistics.  In that sense my example is right on the money.

Well, not quite.  Even my gun-owner-relative example still would not have become a suspect ON SIGHT unless the cops knew who he was. 

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Islam being a violent religion:

I'm not trying to argue that it is 100% peaceful.  I would agree that it's not.

I'm just trying to argue that regardless of whatever bad stuff is in the old texts, practically all of 2.5m American Muslims don't go around blowing people up over it.

[polywideblock]

any history students out there ? they would know were to look. but basically this goes back to the crusades when the christian knights put men,woman ,children, cats ,dogs, sheep, goats to the sword  when they retook Jerusalem back in 12?? whenever it was . left nothing alive!  the Muslims were not happy and they have NEVER forgoten

[Patronus]

I believe it was the first 3 crusades against the Muslims.

[JB400]

any history students out there ? they would know were to look. but basically this goes back to the crusades when the christian knights put men,woman ,children, cats ,dogs, sheep, goats to the sword  when they retook Jerusalem back in 12?? whenever it was . left nothing alive!  the Muslims were not happy and they have NEVER forgoten

I don't think you've gone back far enough.  What was known as the Persian Empire has always been aggressive even before the time of the Greeks and Alexander.

[polywideblock]

Persian, roman, Greek, Egyptian , viking ,Celt Hun, goth etc etc  everyone was "war like" that far back,I'm talking 12-1400ad when Richards(the lion heart) brother john took over the country while he was on the CRUSADES over in palestine etc giving the Muslims a hard time .you know robbin hood an all that

[Tilar]

Umm, no. That is not racial profiling by my understanding of the definition.

Now if people from the middle east, or all blacks, or all whites or (insert any actual "race" here) were using a lot of guns to do a lot of damage, and we pass a law that says if any paticular one of them owns a gun then you are automatically put in the "search on sight" category. THAT is racial profiling.

And considering that more people die from falling every year than from guns, maybe we should profile all clumsy people. oh but that wouldn't be racial profiling either.   Wink

Racial profiling, from the experience of the "profiled" is being considered suspect because of something you inherited that you had zero control over.  Something that doesn't necessarily even reflect anything negative, it is only correlated with it in crime statistics.  In that sense my example is right on the money.

Well, not quite.  Even my gun-owner-relative example still would not have become a suspect ON SIGHT unless the cops knew who he was. 

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Your example uses an inanimate object, not a person or persons of a specific race which is what the "racial" part of that profiling comes from.  Simple profiling could include people who owned a specific item. Am I splitting hairs? maybe but it seems anytime you throw in the word "racial" you will always find someone who is trying to become the victim.

[Tilar]

any history students out there ? they would know were to look. but basically this goes back to the crusades when the christian knights put men,woman ,children, cats ,dogs, sheep, goats to the sword  when they retook Jerusalem back in 12?? whenever it was . left nothing alive!  the Muslims were not happy and they have NEVER forgoten

I don't think you've gone back far enough.  What was known as the Persian Empire has always been aggressive even before the time of the Greeks and Alexander.

Exactly. It goes all the way back to Ishmael.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Now here's a shocker; the dead older brother & his parents were receiving welfare benefits....


http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/tamerlan_tsarnaev_got_mass_welfare_benefits

[XH29N0G]

I think this  religion, race and immigrant discussion has gotten out of hand. 

I have friends with many religious beliefs;  I live in an area where I am a white minority, and I live where there are many immigrants. 

This situation is either two people who did something really bad, or two people who are part of a group of terrorists who did something really bad.  This needs to be worked out.  Punishment is in order.  Self preservation is in order. 

But arguing that a religion, race, or place of birth determines the way people are, is wrong.

[skip68]

I understand how you feel.  But I'm tired of hearing about terrorists killing in the name of Allah.      I don't care what your beliefs are, if your group constantly has links to terrorism then you'd better damn well expect to be watched.    I don't consider it profiling, it's more like common sense.  I'm sure the majority of Muslims are upset with these terrorists and I feel bad for them.   But we must pay closer attention to them just like they should be.     The church should've reported the older brother just like the uncle should have reported about the hate being brainwashed into the younger brother.  The uncle told a reporter that he was upset about some guy brainwashing his nephew years ago with radical ideas.    The signs were there.     The alive bombers citizenship needs to be revoked and he should be tried as a foreigner committing an act of terror.  

[Tilar]

I understand how you feel.  But I'm tired of hearing about terrorists killing in the name of Allah.      I don't care what your beliefs are, if your group constantly has links to terrorism then you'd better damn well expect to be watched.     I don't consider it profiling, it's more like common sense.

That's the point I was trying to say with what Mike said about profiling, If I am being profiled because a bunch of whites screw up, so be it. Would it upset me and piss me off? Absolutely, but I would understand it.  The bad part is common sense is apparently no longer a variable here in the USA. It's easier for many to just bury your head in the sand and hope it goes away.

[Steve P.]

I don't understand that at all. I do not hold anything against a race of any people for what 1 or 1000 have done..

Fact: People are taught to hate. It is a learned thing. We are not born with hating people whom drive Chevies or Toyota's... There are people that HATE other than MOPAR brands. It's the same thing and it makes no sense.

Of course this isn't exactly the same, but what I mean is when we were kids/babies, we didn't know any difference in cars or people. The nasty shit is not the color or height or anything else other than what we are taught... I was taught religion heavily. For many years I have not been a believer in religion of any kind. I made MY choice after having 1 religion hammered into me.. But I think for myself and so do many others.. OF EVERY COLOR!!!!!

[stripedelete]

I think this  religion, race and immigrant discussion has gotten out of hand. 

I have friends with many religious beliefs;  I live in an area where I am a white minority, and I live where there are many immigrants. 

This situation is either two people who did something really bad, or two people who are part of a group of terrorists who did something really bad.  This needs to be worked out.  Punishment is in order.  Self preservation is in order. 

But arguing that a religion, race, or place of birth determines the way people are, is wrong.

But Catholics are not trying to kill us.

[polywideblock]

go to Ireland and tell that to the prodistants

[stripedelete]

go to Ireland and tell that to the prodistants

True.  But, that's their problem.