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Dodge 383 stalls at full throttle

Started by 69dodge383, April 14, 2013, 01:01:57 PM

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69dodge383

Got a 383 from a 67 monaco in 71 Challenger. Motor internals all stock. Has headers, weiand dual plane, holley 4150 650cfm carb. Idles fine around 1000-1200rpm. Idles in drive fine too. When i punch the throttle from a stop or rolling stop car acts like it has no balls. This engine should roast the tire (open rear end) but doesnt. If I feather the throttle it accelerates fine. At top end it backfires through the exhaust like a machine gun. what is wrong here?

Also, I did have a fresh rebuilt 770 street avenger on it that got the same results. So I am ruling out the carb...
The way I bought it
1969 Dodge Charger SE
383 Magnum
727
3.23 open 8 3/4 - 489
PS/MB

The way it is
1969 Dodge Charger "The Duke"
440HP '72
10.5:1 Mopar Pistons @.030 (446 c.i.)
Edelbrock Performer Heads
Hughes Solid Lifter Cam 278/283 245/250 .597. 613 108
7Qt Oil Pan
Victor Intake
Demon 850 Carb
TTI Headers 2" Primaries
727 Manual Valve Body
9" Dynamic Converter
4.10 Sure Grip 8 3/4 - 489
3" Dual Super 44
Coys 18x9 20x10.5  Cragar 15x8 15x10

Rolling_Thunder

I would check your timing and advance systems (vac and mechanical) -

1968 Dodge Charger - 6.1L Hemi / 6-speed / 3.55 Sure Grip

2013 Dodge Challenger R/T - 5.7L Hemi / 6-speed / 3.73 Limited Slip

1964 Dodge Polara 500 - 440 / 4-speed / 3.91 Sure Grip

1973 Dodge Challenger Rallye - 340 / A-518 / 3.23 Sure Grip

John_Kunkel

Quote from: 69dodge383 on April 14, 2013, 01:01:57 PM
When i punch the throttle from a stop or rolling stop car acts like it has no balls. This engine should roast the tire (open rear end) but doesnt.

What's the axle ratio. I wouldn't characterize the 383 as a tire roaster in all installations.
Pardon me but my karma just ran over your dogma.

69dodge383

323 rear gears. I'm going to check my timing in the meantime. Desktop dyno says the car makes 300hp450tq with stock 2brl 383 long block topped with holley 4brl carb, weiand dual plane and open headers. With those numbers I think it should have some kick.....
The way I bought it
1969 Dodge Charger SE
383 Magnum
727
3.23 open 8 3/4 - 489
PS/MB

The way it is
1969 Dodge Charger "The Duke"
440HP '72
10.5:1 Mopar Pistons @.030 (446 c.i.)
Edelbrock Performer Heads
Hughes Solid Lifter Cam 278/283 245/250 .597. 613 108
7Qt Oil Pan
Victor Intake
Demon 850 Carb
TTI Headers 2" Primaries
727 Manual Valve Body
9" Dynamic Converter
4.10 Sure Grip 8 3/4 - 489
3" Dual Super 44
Coys 18x9 20x10.5  Cragar 15x8 15x10

green69rt

I hesitated to add my  :Twocents: on this but you don't seem to be getting a lot of input so here's mine.   Let me count the ways that your engine could act like it does.   Simple thing like a disconnected or plugged vacuum line, hold down bolt on the distributer is loose so it goes out of timing (if it gets bad enough the car won't start.)  Timing chain jumped a tooth.  Spark plug wires crossed up.  distributor cap breaking down and spark jumping across terminals.  These may not all give the symptoms you describe but you have to start somewhere. :shruggy:

When I have a mystery problem like this I go back to the last thing I worked on before the problem started,  Then look aroiund the area I was working in, to see what else I could have bumped, moved, etc to screw things up.

elacruze

Is it a points ignition still? If so, could be point bounce. Could be a poor connection in the ignition power circuit, which 'breaks' under load and sparks inappropriately. Could be a fouled plug. Could be a blown power valve. Could be a leaky exhaust system feeding air into the mufflers.
1968 505" EFI 4-speed
1968 D200 Camper Special, 318/2bbl/4spd/4.10
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Torque converters are for construction equipment.

69dodge383

I am going to check the timing when I get home today. I think the problem my be that I had the vacuum advance and the manifold vacuum hoses backwards on my holley carb. Hence there was no vacuum advance in play. So that may be the culprit. So I am going to double check the hose connections and reset the timing. Also, the car is open headers at this time, no pipes, just headers. The neighbors love it LOL

If it still gives me probs I may get an electronic distributor. I have changed the points and condenser a while back and set the dwell with a dwell meter.

Thanks for the responses. I will keep you posted

Doug
The way I bought it
1969 Dodge Charger SE
383 Magnum
727
3.23 open 8 3/4 - 489
PS/MB

The way it is
1969 Dodge Charger "The Duke"
440HP '72
10.5:1 Mopar Pistons @.030 (446 c.i.)
Edelbrock Performer Heads
Hughes Solid Lifter Cam 278/283 245/250 .597. 613 108
7Qt Oil Pan
Victor Intake
Demon 850 Carb
TTI Headers 2" Primaries
727 Manual Valve Body
9" Dynamic Converter
4.10 Sure Grip 8 3/4 - 489
3" Dual Super 44
Coys 18x9 20x10.5  Cragar 15x8 15x10

green69rt

Quote from: 69dodge383 on April 16, 2013, 10:00:19 AM
I am going to check the timing when I get home today. I think the problem my be that I had the vacuum advance and the manifold vacuum hoses backwards on my holley carb. Hence there was no vacuum advance in play. So that may be the culprit. So I am going to double check the hose connections and reset the timing. Also, the car is open headers at this time, no pipes, just headers. The neighbors love it LOL

If it still gives me probs I may get an electronic distributor. I have changed the points and condenser a while back and set the dwell with a dwell meter.

Thanks for the responses. I will keep you posted

Doug

Oh wait!!!?  You're running open headers?  You really need to richen up the carb jets if you plan on firing this motor up very much.  You can always go back when you get the exhaust system connected.   That machine gun sound may only be the normal sound at high RPM with a cam that has considerable overlap? :shruggy:   The poor response may go away also but probably not.

69dodge383

The cam is stock, the motor is a mopar 383 2brl with headers weiand dual plane holley 650 carb.


Im going to mess around with it more tomorrow

Doug
The way I bought it
1969 Dodge Charger SE
383 Magnum
727
3.23 open 8 3/4 - 489
PS/MB

The way it is
1969 Dodge Charger "The Duke"
440HP '72
10.5:1 Mopar Pistons @.030 (446 c.i.)
Edelbrock Performer Heads
Hughes Solid Lifter Cam 278/283 245/250 .597. 613 108
7Qt Oil Pan
Victor Intake
Demon 850 Carb
TTI Headers 2" Primaries
727 Manual Valve Body
9" Dynamic Converter
4.10 Sure Grip 8 3/4 - 489
3" Dual Super 44
Coys 18x9 20x10.5  Cragar 15x8 15x10

c00nhunterjoe

If the cam is stock then why is it idling at 1200 rpm? You have something crossed up.