1 0f 12 3rd Gen Spolier Option ?

[RallyeMike]

Supposed 1-owner car with "1 of 12 Spoiler option". Never heard or seen of these spoilers before. Bull ? 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4614636557&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1

[RD]

well its an original 340 car for sure, whether or not it is a rallye is up in the air though.  I would like to see the fender tag.

as far as the spoiler, i call bs.  where are they getting the 1 of 12 shiet from?  oh yeah, out of the air.  I have never heard of a spoiler on 73 and up chargers... EVER.

[TruckDriver]

as far as the spoiler, i call bs.  where are they getting the 1 of 12 shiet from?  oh yeah, out of the air.  I have never heard of a spoiler on 73 and up chargers... EVER.

I agree, 150% B.S.! Probably believes that pigs fly too

[Darkness]

Well, I've never seen a spoiler like that on any 3rd Gen unless it was a custom job. I do see some errors with the auction such as stating the car has a 2.73 gear ratio vs a 2.76 if that's what they mean? I don' know.

[moparguy01]

its BS. that spoiler is a 67-69 camaro spoiler. I've been around a few cars in the last oh 3 days that have that exact spoiler. In fact i was wondering how it would look. guess now I know. I'll find something else for my car. haha

[NHCharger]

Just a typical ebay power seller talking out of his ass.
I've never seen a paint/stripe combo like that with the 340 logo on the trunk lid.
When did Mopar switch to posi traction

[Chris G.]

Just a typical ebay power seller talking out of his ass.

BTW, is that a reverse light next to the ashtray? Was that normal on 3rd gen auto's?

[twilt]

 

[sixpack70]

it would be worth more with the elusive posse traction and a frame off resto of the unibody.

[terrible one]

It is a nice looking car though.

[Charger_Fan]

I'd buy it just for the seat covers...

[KMPX2]

RD The fender tag will not tell you if it is a Rallye car , for that you will need to see the build sheet

[RD]

RD The fender tag will not tell you if it is a Rallye car , for that you will need to see the build sheet

will not the fender tag tell me if it has a bulge hood option? am i mistaken? correct me if I am wrong please.  Its all about gaining new knowledge.

[RallyeMike]

RD The fender tag will not tell you if it is a Rallye car , for that you will need to see the build sheet

"A57" = Rallye Package on the fender tag.

[Chargerguy74]

a lot of the rallye cars didn't have the rallye code on the tag. Didn't you have to have the rallye package to get the 340? In a lot of cases you don't need to see A57 anywhere to know it's a rallye, just like a non SE 440 car for ex.

[Dodge-Charger]

RD The fender tag will not tell you if it is a Rallye car , for that you will need to see the build sheet

"A57" = Rallye Package on the fender tag.

You beat me to it ! 100% correct

[hemihead]

a lot of the rallye cars didn't have the rallye code on the tag. Didn't you have to have the rallye package to get the 340? In a lot of cases you don't need to see A57 anywhere to know it's a rallye, just like a non SE 440 car for ex.
[/quoteJust  by looking at it you can't tell.All the 340 cars I've seen (73's) were A57 codes.Now, I never say never when it comes to Ma Mopar.

[TruckDriver]

I emailed the seller and told him his info on the 1 of 12 car was way wrong. He was nice and told me he just bought the car to flip it. I see now he changed the auction wording.

[Arthu®]

Well we all agree that the spoiler is not original. But I like it. It is quiet nice though it should have been made to fit to the ends of the quarter panel not just have way through. Other than that nice car but don't care for the 340 on the trunk.

Arthur

[KMPX2]

I just looked at the auction and nothing has been changed. It is being sold by one of those Ebay stores that are poping up all over. I too told them that there were many things wrong with the car. I got a very rude responce from them. There statement to me was for the most part LET THE BUYER BEWARE.

[hemihead]

I think I would rather have the sheet aluminium spoiler that Petty had on his 73. 

[RallyeMike]

Thanks for responses. I figured it was BULL, but even after immersing myself in Mopars for two decades, I still get suprised by oddities every once in awhile.

[Chargerguy74]

a lot of the rallye cars didn't have the rallye code on the tag. Didn't you have to have the rallye package to get the 340? In a lot of cases you don't need to see A57 anywhere to know it's a rallye, just like a non SE 440 car for ex.
[/quoteJust  by looking at it you can't tell.All the 340 cars I've seen (73's) were A57 codes.Now, I never say never when it comes to Ma Mopar.

Actually just by looking at it and sertain options you can tell, you don't really need to see A57 anywhere. Besides, I bet more than half the rallye cars out there have no A57 code, especially when the build sheet is missing. I wouldn't go around wondering if it's a true rallye car or not, for a third gen guy it's pretty easy, if you know what is included in the rallye package, what you could and couldn't get, etc. If you see an original 340 car, and no A57 on the tag, would you think it isn't a rallye car...especially when the 340 was optional only on the rallye?

[KMPX2]

What you are forgeting is that back in those if you knew the right person you could get anything you wanted. Case in point all lil Red express pick-ups had small blocks in them as that was all Chrysler put in them. Well throw that out the window as 2 special order Reds were built with 440's in them.

[hemihead]

a lot of the rallye cars didn't have the rallye code on the tag. Didn't you have to have the rallye package to get the 340? In a lot of cases you don't need to see A57 anywhere to know it's a rallye, just like a non SE 440 car for ex.

My point was if there is no A57 code then it's not technically a Ralleye car.Sure Dodge let you build them the way you wanted but without that code you can't consider it a true Ralleye.My 73 has lots of the options and i could put the rest on and then it would be worth more.A real easy fraud.But I would never do that because I don't care about value.I'm building it the way I want.

[Chargerguy74]

a lot of the rallye cars didn't have the rallye code on the tag. Didn't you have to have the rallye package to get the 340? In a lot of cases you don't need to see A57 anywhere to know it's a rallye, just like a non SE 440 car for ex.

My point was if there is no A57 code then it's not technically a Ralleye car.Sure Dodge let you build them the way you wanted but without that code you can't consider it a true Ralleye.My 73 has lots of the options and i could put the rest on and then it would be worth more.A real easy fraud.But I would never do that because I don't care about value.I'm building it the way I want.

I dont know if things are being over complicated here or what, but I'm in a hurry and I'm not reading everything again. A lot of true RALLYE cars DO NOT have the A57 code on the fender tag. Maybe it's a Lynch road thing, as most of these rallyes I'm referring to were Lynch cars.

[RD]

i saw a 340 in a 73 charger se... was it an option for that model? no, but did it have it in it originally? yes  VIN, Buildsheet, and Fendertag all showed it to have a 340 originally.

[KMPX2]

As a rule of thumb the things that make it on the fender tag have to due with color, deleted items or anything that need a special hole to mount it ( like spoilers ). Seeing that the Rallye package does not meet the above needs the A57 would only be on the build sheet. Now if anyone here has a photo of a fender tag with A57 on it please post it.

[Chargerguy74]

i saw a 340 in a 73 charger se... was it an option for that model? no, but did it have it in it originally? yes  VIN, Buildsheet, and Fendertag all showed it to have a 340 originally.

There are a lot of exceptions, and a lot of stuff made that technically shouldn't have been. But I'm talking about a Rallye car not being a rallye car just because the code isn't on the tag.

[Chargerguy74]

As a rule of thumb the things that make it on the fender tag have to due with color, deleted items or anything that need a special hole to mount it ( like spoilers ). Seeing that the Rallye package does not meet the above needs the A57 would only be on the build sheet. Now if anyone here has a photo of a fender tag with A57 on it please post it.

There we go, I wish this was posted a lot sooner.

[RallyeMike]

As a rule of thumb the things that make it on the fender tag have to due with color, deleted items or anything that need a special hole to mount it ( like spoilers ). Seeing that the Rallye package does not meet the above needs the A57 would only be on the build sheet. Now if anyone here has a photo of a fender tag with A57 on it please post it.

Where did you get that from? I only ask becasue I never heard that rule of thumb before, though it's similar to mine. There are plenty of other fender tag codes that don't require special holes or identify color: Brake type, pedal dress up, sure grip, tinted windows, radio type, rear speakers, etc.  My theory on fender tags was that they usually included at a minimum the items that required body/chassis pre-assembly prep and color. Why? So that the body when assembled and painted before going down the line is ready to accept the options slated for it.

Following either theory: A57 means chrome tips. Chrome tips means a special valance with (holes?) that need to be filled with the chrome tips / or a special valance that needs to be put on before the car is painted in pre-assembly. So A57 should be on every Rallye fender tag ! It has always been a mystery to me why A57 isnt on every Rallye car. You could apply the same theory to the hood pins. Holes to be filled. Body (hood) to be prepped to accept them prior to paint.

Now the question that probably squashes both theories: If a Rallye car tag does not have A57 on the tag, does it then have on the tag any or all of the Rallye package options: J45 Hood pins, J54 bulge hood, J97 rallye cluster, S41 rear sway bar, V6_ side stripe ?  Most of these would have to be on the tag to fit the fill the hole/color/pre-assembly body preparation theories.

Fender tags are a mystery. I try not to lose to much sleep over them.... as I type this at 1:45AM....

FYI: I have the data from the tags of (3) St. Loius-built 73/74 440 Rallye cars, and all of them have A57 in the exact same spot: right after the "U" for US built (including my own). I'd be curious to know if this is the way all of them are. Sorry - No photo.

[KMPX2]

RallyeMike how could you make this mistake? "A57 means chrome tips" no it does not there are no exhaust tips in the Rallye package . Also the cut out valance uses the same mounting holes as a plain one . Same goes for the hood a flat hood mounts on just like a Buldge hood no special holes need in the body.

[hemihead]

As a rule of thumb the things that make it on the fender tag have to due with color, deleted items or anything that need a special hole to mount it ( like spoilers ). Seeing that the Rallye package does not meet the above needs the A57 would only be on the build sheet. Now if anyone here has a photo of a fender tag with A57 on it please post it.

Where did you get that from? I only ask becasue I never heard that rule of thumb before, though it's similar to mine. There are plenty of other fender tag codes that don't require special holes or identify color: Brake type, pedal dress up, sure grip, tinted windows, radio type, rear speakers, etc.  My theory on fender tags was that they usually included at a minimum the items that required body/chassis pre-assembly prep and color. Why? So that the body when assembled and painted before going down the line is ready to accept the options slated for it.

Following either theory: A57 means chrome tips. Chrome tips means a special valance with (holes?) that need to be filled with the chrome tips / or a special valance that needs to be put on before the car is painted in pre-assembly. So A57 should be on every Rallye fender tag ! It has always been a mystery to me why A57 isnt on every Rallye car. You could apply the same theory to the hood pins. Holes to be filled. Body (hood) to be prepped to accept them prior to paint.

Now the question that probably squashes both theories: If a Rallye car tag does not have A57 on the tag, does it then have on the tag any or all of the Rallye package options: J45 Hood pins, J54 bulge hood, J97 rallye cluster, S41 rear sway bar, V6_ side stripe ?  Most of these would have to be on the tag to fit the fill the hole/color/pre-assembly body preparation theories.

Fender tags are a mystery. I try not to lose to much sleep over them.... as I type this at 1:45AM....

FYI: I have the data from the tags of (3) St. Loius-built 73/74 440 Rallye cars, and all of them have A57 in the exact same spot: right after the "U" for US built (including my own). I'd be curious to know if this is the way all of them are. Sorry - No photo.

I get what you are saying Mike.

[RallyeMike]

RallyeMike how could you make this mistake? "A57 means chrome tips" no it does not there are no exhaust tips in the Rallye package . Also the cut out valance uses the same mounting holes as a plain one . Same goes for the hood a flat hood mounts on just like a Buldge hood no special holes need in the body.

Not according to Mr. Govier and every thing I've read prior:  A57 gets you tips, bulge hood, pins, duals, cluster and stripe. (Maybe not tips if you buy in California - I don't know). If you have tips, you have to have the special valance with holes (cutouts, indents, whatever you want to call them). The valance has to go on at pre-assembly to get painted with the car just like a 4-speed hump, air conditioned firewall, and other "fill the specially-prepared hole" items. That's why it makes sense to me that the fender tag would have the codes - So the pre-assembly folks knew how to prepare the car for Rallye package.

Yes, flat and bulge hoods mount the same, but the bulge hood gets special holes for hood pins if it has the Rallye package. Most, but not all bulge hoods had pins. Another reason to have either A57 or J45 on the fender tag for the pre-assembly guys to get the car prepared for the options as it rode down the assembly line. You dont want to be punching holes in the painted body half way down the line as it gets built.

Again, just theory. 

[Chargerguy74]

I've seen quite a few 72 Rallye cars with no A57 on their fender tags...tell me, if they aren't rallye cars, where's the code for rallye doors...since you can build them anyway you want??? BTW These cars have A57 on the build sheets to back them up as true rallye cars.

RallyeMike, makes sence, but the code still doesn't have to be on the tag itself, the build sheets go down the line with the car too.

[RallyeMike]

I've seen quite a few 72 Rallye cars with no A57 on their fender tags

My 72 is also missing the A57 on the fender tag. Additionally, it was super rare because it came without the the slotted doors, chrome tips, and cool taillights and was powered by a 318. The 2nd "Special Order" tag (that coincidentally looks like a cop car tag) prooves it. Sorry, I lost the broadcast sheet that had all these codes on it   

Hey, I kinda like this !

[Chargerguy74]

I've seen quite a few 72 Rallye cars with no A57 on their fender tags

My 72 is also missing the A57 on the fender tag. Additionally, it was super rare because it came without the the slotted doors, chrome tips, and cool taillights and was powered by a 318. The 2nd "Special Order" tag (that coincidentally looks like a cop car tag) prooves it. Sorry, I lost the broadcast sheet that had all these codes on it   

Hey, I kinda like this !

that's one rare rallye car!!!..........LOL

[KMPX2]

According to Mr. Govier's 72-74 code book no tips in the Rallye package. One of the problems here is you have never seen a car being built. The fender tag means nothing when a car is going down the line. It gets put on way down the line like any other part just before the car is painted. Build sheets hang on the body & that is what the workers look at. To reword my 1st statement about special holes what I meant was holes in the body shell. As the car went down the line when it came to the hood station the worker would look at the build sheet and then go to one of 3 racks Flat , buldge or buldge w/pins. hook onto the right one & bolt it to the same set of hole it made no difference what hood it was.  The plant I work at now the some of the cars get rear spoilers but the decklids are all the same they just use a jig & cordless drill to but the holes in for the spoiler.


How do you know that the car was built with out the rallye parts and not just stolen at some time &  the car rebuilt with plain parts?

[hemihead]

For one thing I wouldn't give you 2 cents for anything GG ever said or wrote.

[twilt]

For what its worth my 72 Rallye is coded A57 on the fender tag. It is seperately coded N42 for the exhaust tips. That,  in conjunction with GG info in the white book,  would lead me to believe that the tips arent part of the Rallye pkg. I read somewhere that 1 assembly plant put the A57 on the fender tags of Rallye cars and that another Assembly plant did not.     

[RallyeMike]

There may be a difference between years 72 73/74 on what was included in the Rallye package. IE: In 74, Mr. GG says the tips were included. For what it's worth, this comes from a paid decode and evaluation that he did on someone elses car that I got a copy of. Although it's interesting to read, I also wouldnt pay 2 cents for his stuff, but only because I really don't care about this level of detail ..... I just want to go fast. All four 74 Ralley tags that I have copies of came with with code A57, had slotted tips, and with no other codes for std. rallye equipment on the tags. This small section of the 74 Rallyes built seems to support GG's assertion for at least the year 1974 that tips were included in the package.

KMPX: Yer right - I never visited an assembly line. It was a theory. Thanks for the insight.

How do you know that the car was built with out the rallye parts and not just stolen at some time &  the car rebuilt with plain parts?

Exactly. If a supposed Rallye Charger does not have to have A57 on the fender tag, and the Rallye options are not separately coded on the tag, and no build sheet exists, then one could bolt on few parts and calli t as a Rallye. Nobody would be the wiser. That is why I am very curious if any Rallye owners out there without A57 on the tag have the the Rallye options separately coded.


 

[Dodge-Charger]

  Being I run the registry I have photo proof of 2 Ralley Chargers with the stamped FENDER tag.  I have to get them to electronicly sign a release or i cannot show the pics of it. But YES it is on the tag. The other ones I have are on the tag w/o photos but the code is in the same spot. When it comes to Spoilers and trim rings and stuff like that , that is what is on the Build sheet. The Fender gives you basic package and option specs.  Ralley Package  then some codes to specify to what size package it is. You can find a Strip Delete code (V78)  on the fender tags along with Tach (N85) body color ( JA5) and more. But when it comes to the off the wall " bolt " on stuff you will need the build sheet.
   The Ralley package DOES have things that need to be bolted on and changed to the buyers wants. So there for it will be on the fender tag with the code corrections following. Now if it is a big order car then yes you will also find the side door protective mouldings (V5X) on the fender tag, But not the Cruz control.
    This topic is like saying that ALL Chargers came with a Vinyl Roof and if it aint there someone didnt put it back when they rebuilt the car. I have seen that topic twice before.

[Chargerguy74]

The RALLYE code is not always on the tag though Dodge-Charger....and I have proof of it not being on the tags, but is on the build sheets...and I don't run the registry As I stated before, it's possibly a Lynch Road thing

[Hemidoug]

Just a typical ebay power seller talking out of his ass.

BTW, is that a reverse light next to the ashtray? Was that normal on 3rd gen auto's?

Chris,
I think that is a seatbelts light. They used the 4spd reverse light with a different lens.