Wow, Someone is getting bold

[Steve P.]

Nope... I don't know anything about any of those drugs doing me or anyone else any good.

I am sorry that this person in your family has had some problem with whatever drug, but again, it is not EVERYONE. It is individual.. There is not a shred of evidence that says pot is addictive. Also not a shred that says it makes you want to step up to anything else.. Beer doesn't make me want to step up to BOOZE Either!!!! Hydrocodone pills don't make me want to cut up the pills into a powder and snort them either!!!

Why aren't you condemning all of these other drugs that ARE addicting and have side effects that eat your liver or cause cancers??

You actually have NOT pointed out any facts supporting your side. I don't know what you are talking about with the statement of MY SIDE WITHOUT REGARD FOR YOUR SIDE!! You have only, until your last statement, only ever told us that you will only pay attention to a few pieces of paper from very specific places!!

Anyway Chad, I am not here to convince you and I don't see that ANYTHING ever will, so I will continue on my path and won't direct anything your way..

[polywideblock]

i still say legalise possesion/ smoking and let people choose if they want it or not, it's their choice after all  

That would be fine if you lived in a bubble and your decisions only affected your life....

chad as far as i can see YOU are the one living in a bubble! are you familiar with the saying for every reaction there is a equal and opposite reaction, think about it. you release your wounder virus and wipe out dope .what then, 1000's of teens eager to experiment now have what to choose from.coke ,meth, crack , heroin, where is the forgiving pot? gone! so now YOU are responsible for what 1000's no 10 's of 1000's of deaths from OD  that result from teens trying HARD drugs for the first and last time not to mention 1000's that are now hooked on crack,meth,heroin  who would have tried dope maybe smoked for a couple of years and got off it . if you think that because you remove one thing you've saved us from ourselves  WRONG!  its  PEOPLES nature to find something else , to want that high regardless where they find it. please stop trying to play GOD .its every INDIVIDUALS right to choose how they live their lives, not yours to make the decision for them. just think of all the parents of these dead youths looking for someone to blame and  blaming who?  

Sorry, I do not buy into your idea, it is BS.  Hate me all that you want, but it is my nature to look at life through my scientific mind.  So, what you are now saying is that dope is a gateway drug to harder stuff?  Notice that I avoided that during my previous posts, but you were the first to bring it up.  I am not God and have never claimed to be, but I do work to make the world better when I can.  Drug use is a plague upon humanity as I see it and someone needs to point out the facts for people to make informed decisions on things that affect their lives as well as others.  I teach my classes with the aspect of having students make their own decisions on a subject, but to be informed and aware of the concenquences of their actions before doing anything.  Many people fail to do this in real life....

chad" hate" is a very strong word ! the only person in this world that has earned that moniker is my ex wife! we'll just have to agree to disagree. i NEVER said dope is a "gateway" drug, i never even used the term "gateway drug" please don't put words in my mouth. as to the notion the pot leads to other drugs  FAR from it.  i know lots of people that have never gone past pot and have been smoking for years, what i was saying is that without it as a safer alternative(the lesser of all the evils available) kids will use the hard stuff because there will be no alternative! it would be you creating the "gateway" removing pot from the equation ! kids will be kids  and unless you've got a wonder virus that will make a 17 year old do as their told , their still going to experiment!.imagine all the teens of the world actually doing what they were told. please note I've raised 3 great kids 20, 24,30  

[polywideblock]

hey chad just a thought . if this virus your working  on does what you say it does/will , why not remove the active ingredient From the coca plant(cocaine) or the opium poppy(heroin) ?

[Mike DC]

They could program a virus and rip that place off, big-time. 

[JB400]

hey chad just a thought . if this virus your working  on does what you say it does/will , why not remove the active ingredient From the coca plant(cocaine) or the opium poppy(heroin) ?

Wouldn't that be like removing the cocoa from chocolate?  The pb from pb&j?  Hemi from Hemi Charger?  Some things are best left alone. 

[polywideblock]

try telling chad that  have you followed thread ?

[Chad L. Magee]

hey chad just a thought . if this virus your working  on does what you say it does/will , why not remove the active ingredient From the coca plant(cocaine) or the opium poppy(heroin) ?

If you paid attention to one of my previous posts, that is what it is aimed towards: complete eradication of all illicit drugs from natural sources.  I mentioned going after THC first, then targeting others along the way.  I believe that it can be modified in such a way that would even prevent highs from synthetic illicit drugs also....

[Chad L. Magee]

hey chad just a thought . if this virus your working  on does what you say it does/will , why not remove the active ingredient From the coca plant(cocaine) or the opium poppy(heroin) ?

Wouldn't that be like removing the cocoa from chocolate?  The pb from pb&j?  Hemi from Hemi Charger?  Some things are best left alone. 

Sorry, but I do not feel that way.  Drug use causes all types of problems and is not needed by humanity.  Sure, there are medical uses for some of them (I have no problem if they are legitamately used in that manner under a medical doctors care), but other than that, there are very good reasons why they should remain illegal substances....

[Steve P.]

Yes, please,,,, everyone stay away from using aspirin and aloe. And you diabetics out there stay away from Insulin... (This is drug use, right)?

Chad, it is obvious that you do not agree that people can decide anything for themselves. I would think you voted for seatbelts and helmets and camera's at every intersection. I really think we have caught on to that. But that does not mean you are right.. I am tired of being told what I can and cannot do with MY body. MY LIFE!! Today I received a call from the VA that I have to go YET AGAIN, to the clinic and give them a piss test for NOT ONLY DRUGS, but also BOOZE!!!!! Yes, the VA is now trying to keep me from DRINKING TOO!!!!!! What is next? Maybe they will try to keep me from drinking TEA!!!!! They have already given me hell for drinking more than 2 cups of coffee every day...

Drag racing is BAD FOR YOU.. The G FORCE can stop your heart!!! Collapse your lungs!!! WTF??? In the end we will all be replaced by machines that do everything THEY WANT. At that point is there one?? 

[Fred]

They have already given me hell for drinking more than 2 cups of coffee every day...

2 cups of coffee a day!    Have you never heard of........."everything in moderation"?      

[Chad L. Magee]

Yes, please,,,, everyone stay away from using aspirin and aloe. And you diabetics out there stay away from Insulin... (This is drug use, right)?

Chad, it is obvious that you do not agree that people can decide anything for themselves. I would think you voted for seatbelts and helmets and camera's at every intersection. I really think we have caught on to that. But that does not mean you are right.. I am tired of being told what I can and cannot do with MY body. MY LIFE!! Today I received a call from the VA that I have to go YET AGAIN, to the clinic and give them a piss test for NOT ONLY DRUGS, but also BOOZE!!!!! Yes, the VA is now trying to keep me from DRINKING TOO!!!!!! What is next? Maybe they will try to keep me from drinking TEA!!!!! They have already given me hell for drinking more than 2 cups of coffee every day...

Drag racing is BAD FOR YOU.. The G FORCE can stop your heart!!! Collapse your lungs!!! WTF??? In the end we will all be replaced by machines that do everything THEY WANT. At that point is there one?? 

What I meant was in the context of drugs used in non-medicinal ways.  That has been my point for quite some time.....

[polywideblock]

remember the song 2525?

[Fred]

remember the song 2525?

If man is still alive, if woman can survive.

[Steve P.]

And yet you still miss the bigger point. ALL the MODERATION and SCRIPTS and who says what is the correct dosage and removing parts and adding others.

You don't want to legalize pot or even chat about it with an open mind until someone else shows you proof it does some good. You will argue to keep it ILLEGAL, but will not take the time to look in the very papers you say you will trust. To me, that is the equivalent of someone answering a question with BECAUSE.  So I say you cannot prove to me that pot can kill me. I say you cannot prove that it will NOT help people with cancer and MS and many other diseases that others say it does work against... Otherwise your answer is no more than the BS that the government has been feeding all of us for years all for the sake of money in someones pockets..  Screw a healthy life.. A few of us want all the marbles.... <SMH>

[Chad L. Magee]

Here is a site to explain the terms about the brain and THC usage effects: (it is not a reference itself, just a guide to the wording used below in other articles)

http://headsup.scholastic.com/index.php/articles/the-science-of-marijuana/

Here is a link to several articles on the National Academy of Sciences of the United States about THC effects: (it is just one of many)

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/08/22/1206820109.abstract

Here is the reason why I dislike allowing younger childern to come into contact with drug usage:

http://www.mcri.edu.au/news/2012/august/adolescents-most-at-risk-of-brain-damage-from-long-term,-heavy-cannabis-use.aspx

If you want just the ones in the research journal Brain: (just a few to look at)

http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/search?fulltext=THC+effects+on+brain&submit=yes


I have more research articles to share on this subject.  Enjoy...

[Chad L. Magee]

And yet you still miss the bigger point. ALL the MODERATION and SCRIPTS and who says what is the correct dosage and removing parts and adding others.

You don't want to legalize pot or even chat about it with an open mind until someone else shows you proof it does some good. You will argue to keep it ILLEGAL, but will not take the time to look in the very papers you say you will trust. To me, that is the equivalent of someone answering a question with BECAUSE.  So I say you cannot prove to me that pot can kill me. I say you cannot prove that it will NOT help people with cancer and MS and many other diseases that others say it does work against... Otherwise your answer is no more than the BS that the government has been feeding all of us for years all for the sake of money in someones pockets..  Screw a healthy life.. A few of us want all the marbles.... <SMH>

I never said it will kill you directly, but that it damages you over time.  Which is my point:  Why take something that you know causes damage to your body?  I have an open mind, but it is influenced greatly by scientific facts in my decision process, not propaganda.  I agree that it can have medicinal uses (as I have said all along), but it is not needed by the non-sick.  That is what you simply do not comprehend.  As for your choice to do as you please:  Good for you, you made your bed, so lie in it....

[Steve P.]

WOOOOOOH.... Who said anything about CHILDREN and drug usage??? Although, from what I have read, it does affect children at a higher risk, there is also the risk of death in some cases NOT using it.. Still that HAS to go to which is beneficial.... To me, LIFE is worth taking a risk for over certain death.. Even in cases of children and chemo the risks are much greater and they give chemo...

[Steve P.]

" Here is a link to several articles on the National Academy of Sciences of the United States about THC effects: (it is just one of many)

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/08/22/1206820109.abstract  "

HOLY SHIT!! The very first words they write are about CHILDREN and ADULTS PUSHING pot on them.. PLEASE!!!!!! This is the crap you are reading and making your decisions by?? They are talking about gangs and drug dealers.. NOT me telling my grandkids it's OK to smoke pot!!!! HOLY HELL!!!! Not very inflammatory now is it!!!

[Patronus]

I do try to keep an open mind. I also enjoy learning new things. I guess Im a pretty simple simple guy when it comes down to it. Don't need much, just an honest day and a great woman to come home to. I can tell you, it sure would suck to be in Chad's world.

[Mike DC]

   
Chad, do you think alcohol should be legal?  (Sorry if this has been covered earlier in the thread)


I don't understand how a person could hold the opinion that you have about pot while simultaneously being okay with booze remaining legal.

[polywideblock]

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[skip68]

For those that smoke pot and drink, is it more or less the same?   I have a feeling that it's basically close to the same as booze.  Am I right?   

[F8-4life]

I'd say booze and smoking are pretty differant highs actually.

[Patronus]

Totally different. I don't drink anymore, been over ten years now. My twin probably more than 15. My whole family are saucers.. Drinking will kill you...fast. Drunk you can forget whole days. Sucks when you wake up and have to out and check the car, make sure you didn't kill anyone.

[Fred]

Totally different. I don't drink anymore, been over ten years now. My twin probably more than 15. My whole family are saucers.. Drinking will kill you...fast. Drunk you can forget whole days. Sucks when you wake up and have to out and check the car, make sure you didn't kill anyone.

Congrats