Wow, Someone is getting bold

[Tilar]

I am pretty sure there are far more accidents due to idiots on cell phones than smoking pot.

I don't doubt that one even a little bit. Passed a highway patrol cruiser the other day and he had his head down with one of those phones that have the keyboard on it and he was texting away. I doubt he even realised he had been passed.

[Steve P.]

We just had a cop hit a bus somewhere here in Florida.. He admitted to dialing his cell and never saw (((( THE BUS ))))   

[Chad L. Magee]

Somehow I believe there is a wall that blocks anything I have shown you from getting in, so I will stop trying to get through to you..

Steve P. - I have mentioned what I consider reliable, non-biased sources of information on chemical substances (ie. peer reviewed scientific journals, ex: Science or Nature are two of them).  Find articles that support your side (that dope has no bad effects) and we will discuss this matter further with what I have on my side as a comparison.  Until then....

[Fred]

Does anyone want to come for morning tea?
I just cooked up a batch of yummy biscuits!     Plenty to go around.

want to share your recipe Fred

I don't have one poly. I just use whatever's to hand and hope for the best. I use the "waste not want not" method.  

[Fred]

We just had a cop hit a bus somewhere here in Florida.. He admitted to dialing his cell and never saw (((( THE BUS ))))  

If the example setter's can't set an example then all hope is lost!  Often the people we trust to uphold the law are themselves the biggest offenders..

[Steve P.]

" I am honored and delighted to be able to publish here a new comprehensive piece written by Dr. Lester Grinspoon, Emeritus Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, entitled "Cannabinopathic Medicine". "


http://medicalmarijuana411.com/mmj411_v3/?p=14249



Here's a good 10 minutes of PROFESSORS KNOWLEDGE...

[polywideblock]

i still say legalise possesion/ smoking and let people choose if they want it or not, it's their choice after all 

[Patronus]

The problem is most doctors prefer cocaine.

[Chad L. Magee]

" I am honored and delighted to be able to publish here a new comprehensive piece written by Dr. Lester Grinspoon, Emeritus Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, entitled "Cannabinopathic Medicine". "


http://medicalmarijuana411.com/mmj411_v3/?p=14249



Here's a good 10 minutes of PROFESSORS KNOWLEDGE...

Sorry, not fully peer reviewed nor in a respected scientific journal either (websites are not stand alone scientific journals; anyone can build a website).  When it reaches that stage, let me know.  Until then, here is my take on his "statement":

He fails to approach the cognative damage issue that has been well established in real peer reviewed scientific journals.  He only talks about the medicinal properties, which I have already aluded to existing in many posts.  For it to be a real article, you must talk about both sides of an issue and not just pick your side to support only.  If you look at a real scientific journal article, they do that (they mention medical uses too) as both sides of this argument will have data to discuss.  This is how science works on its most basic level....

Funny how you had to capatalize the last two words, when I too have professors knowledge (in synthetic chemistry even).  I have had no less than one full year of biochemistry in my undergraduate days, not to mention we covered it in detail in Organic II (both undergrad and grad level), so I at least understand many of the chemical processes (at the molecular level) that the body undergoes during its existance.  This includes the effects (good and bad) specific drugs have on the body and how they are made (naturally and synthetically).  I think you were derogratory to me back a few pages "There seems to be alot of doctors and chemists here!", yet you did not expect for me to reply.  I let it slide as a misinterpretation on my part, but now I don't think so....

[Steve P.]

I wrote the line: " Here's a good 10 minutes of PROFESSORS KNOWLEDGE... " .

Finding much of anything new on pot is difficult as the United States holds the patent on pot and will not let enough lose to do research. Not of any scale anyway. The information in this article and others tell us this..

I am still digging for the papers that Nixon disallowed and threw out. This of course will be old and also may not be exactly what you, CHAD, are looking for, but it certainly shows how much the government is afraid of anyone getting their hands on it!! So lets speculate a little here. WHY, best educated guess, do you believe the government doesn't want studies done on it??

[Chad L. Magee]

I could see this coming from a mile away: now the government conspiricy theories on why you could not find the information that you wanted to support your side....

The fact of the matter is this:  Yes, it does have medical properties, but it also causes damage at the same time.  That is the facts on this subject.  It is not as begnin as people think it is....

[Chad L. Magee]

i still say legalise possesion/ smoking and let people choose if they want it or not, it's their choice after all 

That would be fine if you lived in a bubble and your decisions only affected your life....

[polywideblock]

i still say legalise possesion/ smoking and let people choose if they want it or not, it's their choice after all  

That would be fine if you lived in a bubble and your decisions only affected your life....

chad as far as i can see YOU are the one living in a bubble! are you familiar with the saying for every reaction there is a equal and opposite reaction, think about it. you release your wounder virus and wipe out dope .what then, 1000's of teens eager to experiment now have what to choose from.coke ,meth, crack , heroin, where is the forgiving pot? gone! so now YOU are responsible for what 1000's no 10 's of 1000's of deaths from OD  that result from teens trying HARD drugs for the first and last time not to mention 1000's that are now hooked on crack,meth,heroin  who would have tried dope maybe smoked for a couple of years and got off it . if you think that because you remove one thing you've saved us from ourselves  WRONG!  its  PEOPLES nature to find something else , to want that high regardless where they find it. please stop trying to play GOD .its every INDIVIDUALS right to choose how they live their lives, not yours to make the decision for them. just think of all the parents of these dead youths looking for someone to blame and  blaming who?  

[polywideblock]

not wanting to try to edit that last rant but would like to add that as soon as people worked out what had been done some scientist in a lab somewhere would be making synthetic dope strait away,  and the big chemical companies would cash in .so you'd be undone by your own peers

[Patronus]

Like the serpent eating its tail. 

[Steve P.]

It has already happened that the big drug companies make what is called MARINOL. I may have the spelling wrong. My wife has a script for this and was doing well on it, but we cannot afford $480.00 per month for 30 pills..  Also, as I explained earlier she cannot control how much she takes and what hits her all at once.. Smoking it surely she can..

Chad, you seem to know much about scientific papers. Maybe you know where to find them from other countries that ARE studying the values of pot?? This is how I found out about all of the good it does for MS patients. My wife's doctor has family in another country and he reads all their stuff as well...

Do you know that all over Europe they have been doing very successful PLASTIC DISC REPLACEMENTS for decades?  Well, I have known if since 1997 when I was forced to look into it due to my own back.. Well, about 4 months ago the FDA approved the replacement disc surgery.. It's a damn shame it took so long though. I was fused 4 years ago.. There is no going back after fusion. 

We do like to take things nice and S L O W here.....

[Steve P.]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/video/thefold/medical-marijuana-renews-hope-for-children-suffering-from-seizures/2013/04/24/4eb5419e-acdb-11e2-a8b9-2a63d75b5459_video.html?hpid=z1


This is pretty good..

More mention of studies in another country. I'll have to watch it again and see if I can't pin it down.

[skip68]

$480 a month for 30 pills!    .  Ouch!   That's $16 a pill.   Damn Steve, you gotta find something better.   

[Old Moparz]

People are going to base their opinion on many variables as to whether or not smoking pot should be legal, or if it is safe to consume. And just like anything else humans consume, or even activities they participate in, there are risks involved that can alter their health or life expectancy. Inhaling any type of smoke is not something the body is designed to do & will have an effect on it. The same goes for physical activities like running. I know runners who have had foot & leg injuries that forced them to stop doing what they enjoy.

A psychology professor I had in college talked about how anything can be done in moderation, including drugs, & not be a problem. It's the abuse of the activity that will cause it to be a serious issue. (I won't get into addiction, it'll be off topic.) We all do things on a daily basis that proves this. If you drive 200 miles each day to get to work, your chances of being involved in a car accident compared to someone who works just a few miles from work is far greater. Same goes for the pot smoker who may smoke just a few times each week compared to the burned out pot head who gets stoned every day.

I don't automatically accept results of scientific studies, but I also don't dismiss them. There will always be biased results because of who, or which company paid for the study. Pharmaceutical companies are in business to make a profit, they are not charities. I seriously doubt that every study they do on a drug that they sell is 100% safe. We've all seen drug recalls on several occasions because the side effect was death. I just saw a TV commercial for a drug where happy people were outdoors enjoying life. At the end of the ad the side effects were mentioned with one being increased risk of lung cancer. WTF?

The other problem is how a drug or product is accepted & recognized as legit. If specific agencies haven't given it's approval, it's dismissed as quackery or garbage. This can also happen with any corporation, group, or industry that puts their seal of approval on something. Would an old negative Consumer Reports rating on a 1971 Cuda prevent you from buying one? What about when the record companies decided that Jethro Tull deserved the Grammy for best heavy metal band? Anyone ever see an over bred dog that had serious health problems or ended up crapping & puking every 10 minutes that was still American Kennel Club Registerd?

It's going to be different for every individual, it's that simple.

[Chad L. Magee]

i still say legalise possesion/ smoking and let people choose if they want it or not, it's their choice after all  

That would be fine if you lived in a bubble and your decisions only affected your life....

chad as far as i can see YOU are the one living in a bubble! are you familiar with the saying for every reaction there is a equal and opposite reaction, think about it. you release your wounder virus and wipe out dope .what then, 1000's of teens eager to experiment now have what to choose from.coke ,meth, crack , heroin, where is the forgiving pot? gone! so now YOU are responsible for what 1000's no 10 's of 1000's of deaths from OD  that result from teens trying HARD drugs for the first and last time not to mention 1000's that are now hooked on crack,meth,heroin  who would have tried dope maybe smoked for a couple of years and got off it . if you think that because you remove one thing you've saved us from ourselves  WRONG!  its  PEOPLES nature to find something else , to want that high regardless where they find it. please stop trying to play GOD .its every INDIVIDUALS right to choose how they live their lives, not yours to make the decision for them. just think of all the parents of these dead youths looking for someone to blame and  blaming who?  

Sorry, I do not buy into your idea, it is BS.  Hate me all that you want, but it is my nature to look at life through my scientific mind.  So, what you are now saying is that dope is a gateway drug to harder stuff?  Notice that I avoided that during my previous posts, but you were the first to bring it up.  I am not God and have never claimed to be, but I do work to make the world better when I can.  Drug use is a plague upon humanity as I see it and someone needs to point out the facts for people to make informed decisions on things that affect their lives as well as others.  I teach my classes with the aspect of having students make their own decisions on a subject, but to be informed and aware of the concenquences of their actions before doing anything.  Many people fail to do this in real life....

[Chad L. Magee]

not wanting to try to edit that last rant but would like to add that as soon as people worked out what had been done some scientist in a lab somewhere would be making synthetic dope strait away,  and the big chemical companies would cash in .so you'd be undone by your own peers

Not quite, as I have another little idea that would prevent that from occurring.  Sorry, that one I will keep to myself until it is needed.....

[Chad L. Magee]

It has already happened that the big drug companies make what is called MARINOL. I may have the spelling wrong. My wife has a script for this and was doing well on it, but we cannot afford $480.00 per month for 30 pills..  Also, as I explained earlier she cannot control how much she takes and what hits her all at once.. Smoking it surely she can..

Chad, you seem to know much about scientific papers. Maybe you know where to find them from other countries that ARE studying the values of pot?? This is how I found out about all of the good it does for MS patients. My wife's doctor has family in another country and he reads all their stuff as well...

Do you know that all over Europe they have been doing very successful PLASTIC DISC REPLACEMENTS for decades?  Well, I have known if since 1997 when I was forced to look into it due to my own back.. Well, about 4 months ago the FDA approved the replacement disc surgery.. It's a damn shame it took so long though. I was fused 4 years ago.. There is no going back after fusion. 

We do like to take things nice and S L O W here.....

Yes, I do have the ability to look up international scientific papters and so do you: the internet.  If you want to support your side, go find them then.  I have better things to do with my time (chemical research).  If you can't read them because they are of a different style, that is not my fault as I had to learn it at one time too.  As I said, until then....

[Steve P.]

So obviously Chad, you just want to be against pot. You do NOT want to learn something new. You have spent much time arguing your point here, but rather than try to learn more about it you have decided it's NOT something you want to see made legal and you will not bother. Yet you say you want to.
" I am not God and have never claimed to be, but I do work to make the world better when I can. "   

Then:

" Drug use is a plague upon humanity as I see it and someone needs to point out the facts for people to make informed decisions on things that affect their lives as well as others.  I teach my classes with the aspect of having students make their own decisions on a subject, but to be informed and aware of the concenquences of their actions before doing anything.  Many people fail to do this in real life.... " 

Sure sounds to me like you want to play the role!!!

[Steve P.]

And my answer to the SLIPPERY SLOPE, I smoked in my teens and never moved onto anything stronger. And since I quit smoking pot pretty easily I would say it's also not a drug you get hooked on...  Like Bob said, it is an individual thing, but for the very many people I knew that did and quit easily, I have to say it probably is NOT a drug that HOOKS YOU or makes you move onto anything stronger..

[Chad L. Magee]

So obviously Chad, you just want to be against pot. You do NOT want to learn something new. You have spent much time arguing your point here, but rather than try to learn more about it you have decided it's NOT something you want to see made legal and you will not bother. Yet you say you want to.
" I am not God and have never claimed to be, but I do work to make the world better when I can. "  

Then:

" Drug use is a plague upon humanity as I see it and someone needs to point out the facts for people to make informed decisions on things that affect their lives as well as others.  I teach my classes with the aspect of having students make their own decisions on a subject, but to be informed and aware of the concenquences of their actions before doing anything.  Many people fail to do this in real life.... "  

Sure sounds to me like you want to play the role!!!

My mind is open to facts, as I use them to weigh my decisions.  They are what they are.  So far, I have yet to see enough real hard facts on your side to even start to think about supporting non-medical useage as legal.....

Gee, I am sorry that I do not side with you, but the facts are the facts as I have pointed out before.  I have seen what drug use with dope can do to a person in my family and it is bad.  Since your side is so vocal about legalizing it without reguard to my side, I feel like someone should step up and deliver what needs to be said:  There are alternatives to drugs in life.  Why should we be promoting it as a society?  If you legalize it, when will it stop?  Do you want cocaine, herion, meth?  Little kids see what adults do around them and they will imitate them, leading to guess what, more addicts and even bigger problems for us down the road.  Pretty soon, people will want to legalize more and more things that should not be legalized for very good reasons.  Did you ever stop to contemplate that?  Probably not.....

There is a difference in playing God and letting people know the facts for them to make up their own mind.  You may see my ideas as playing God, but I wanted to show you that there are ways to block the drug trade other than to just legalize it....

There has to be a line drawn in the sand on this one.  It is not as safe as some would have you to believe.....