Wow, Someone is getting bold

[skip68]

Damn Steve, thanks for the link.        

I will have to say as crazy as it may sound about legalizing drugs, he is 100% right.   That would put every drug dealer in the country out of business.   I guarantee we will see a rise in thefts/robberies because these dealers without jobs or drugs to sell will steal to make money.   They do anyway and it will go up and that's more of a crime to nail them with but that's it.   You have a store like smoke shops were you can buy what you want at reasonable prices like booze or cigarettes.  This eliminates the street value or need for it on the street.    Like I said, as crazy as it sounds it's true.   But you can't do just one,(marijuana) you do them all.    Do a 2 year trial period, with the same laws as alcohol.   I'm pretty level headed I like to think and this seriously makes sense.   If you really really think about it as I have now it is truly the only way to do away with the drug dealers because the street guys can't compete with corporate America.    Yes there will be companies like Philip Morris that will profit huge but this will eliminate street dealers as far as drugs go.    

       There would be some down sides and craziness in the beginning I'd imagine but the overall picture is the right direction.   We're not giving in to drug dealers, we're simply stripping them of they're way of life and existence.  By getting rid of the street demand we would be getting rid of the street supply.  

[skip68]

Another thing I just thought about was all the drug lords from other countries.....  This will eliminate them and all drug smuggling to the United States and they'll have to just continue to target other countries.   They won't be able to profit here anymore.   I'm all for giving this a 2 year trial.  I would expect stiff punishment for anybody contributing to minors.  Just the amount of freed up time and revenue from the police, courts and jails/prisons would be staggering.   Legal or not I still won't want drugs in my house or around my kids but it's the right way to go.

[Tilar]

We're not giving in to drug dealers, we're simply stripping them of they're way of life and existence.  By getting rid of the street demand we would be getting rid of the street supply.  

You mean like repealing prohibition got rid of moonshine? 

[skip68]

It's more like tradition and heritage I think for most the moonshiners.

[Chad L. Magee]

Steve P. - No, I never said everyone would start using it if it became legal, just that it would lead to more users of the drug.  The problem is that America is a country of decidence when it comes to something that is wanted.  Look at fast food buffets and how that leads to unhealthy diets due to overendulgance in foods.  We tend to take everything to an extreme and that is what I am hinting at would happen if it became legalized.

People can say "you can never overdose with this drug", but there will always be a case that proves that statement wrong.  It is the THC component that gives the "high" that people are after, so reducing the THC content would reduce the additive nature of the drug.  If it was up to me, synthetic THC would be given to patients when needed and the natural source would be eliminated from the equation entirely.  I still stand by my previous statements, as I have yet to see evidence that would change my stance on this subject.....

[Steve P.]

Well Chad I hope enough of us vote you down. You are NOT paying attention to the problem. The fix or it's importance. 

Here is a quote from you:    " People can say "you can never overdose with this drug", but there will always be a case that proves that statement wrong.  It is the THC component that gives the "high" that people are after, so reducing the THC content would reduce the additive nature of the drug.  If it was up to me, synthetic THC would be given to patients when needed and the natural source would be eliminated from the equation entirely.  I still stand by my previous statements, as I have yet to see evidence that would change my stance on this subject..... "

I said no one has ever overdosed from smoking pot. This is what all the data says. Not me. Can it happen?? I have no idea, but these police, doctors and judges don't seem to think so.

The (( THC )) is what is helping medicinally.. If you somehow grow pot with less, people will have to smoke more.. If that is what gets them HIGH they will just simply smoke more.. And what makes you so strongly believe that "HIGH" is all anyone is after???   Let's just say your manhood stops working one day.. You are in your 30's and the wife is ready to go, but you can't ,,, raise the flag. Are you going to take a pill or a shot the help Roger get Jolly again or are you going to roll over and tell the wife, TOO BAD??  Or your child is sick as hell and you have a choice of making her illness go away with POT or just keep that child loaded on Morphine so he/she isn't feeling too much pain and watch while he/she dies??? This is the choice many people are dealing with..  How can you, as a mother or father or just plain as a human being say, NOPE, IT'S A BAD BAD DRUG AND TOO DAMN BAD you die or live in hell for years when there IS something that can help!!!!!!

Chad, you obviously would not smoke pot. Chuck said he will still not allow it in his house. That is 2.. Millions of others already do NOT allow BOOZE in their homes or hang around with people who drink or smoke.  I cannot breathe when a woman walks near me with certain PERFUME!! We can't smoke in most public anything anymore, so that should not be an issue. We have DUI laws already in play for drivers.

I would hate to see PHILLIP MORRIS end up with the growing and processing. I believe they have tainted enough of this World already.

For those who have watched the video, what did you think of the numbers of unsolved murders and robberies and all the other POLICE STUFF that these POLICE say SHOULD be getting the time and money???  I found this to be HUGE!!!!!! 

[Steve P.]

This is part of hearings from a Judge...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKgY5eOlhEc

[Fred]

I for one won't be using or trying it if it becomes legal. I have never smoked it, never ever tried it out of curiosty and certainly wouldn't start now.I get by just fine without it.
I've never had the urge to try anything because it's illegal just for the sake of it. And no one has ever been able to force me to take anything I didn't want to take and I gave a rats arse to peer pressure. If my friends were forcing me do something I didn't want to do, I considered them not to be true friends at all and not much of a loss.

So what I'm saying is, even if they legalised it, not everybody is going to start using it.

But if it makes you (anyone) happy, hey!.... go for it. Life's to short to be worrying or caring about what other people think..

Mrs.Fred.

[polywideblock]

on the subject of overdosing on pot the result(know in the smoking circles as "greening out") you fall asleep!period. what happens afterwards is up to your friends, but shaved eyebrows , or someone "colouring" in your face with a sharpie is about as bad as it gets .not even a "hangover" afterwards . like I've said before i didn't start smoking till i was 20 ,no one made me  i waited for a couple of years and let everyone else be the guinea pig,made an informed choice and never looked back .so much better than booz ,no dehydration no hangover its all a big plus.         

[Patronus]

I drank quite a bit. I grew up in Milwaukee, lotsa boozin' going down there. I married a cute, sexy bartender. Everyone knew her. I had drinks lined up, anywhere I went, all night. Everyone "in" that game knows you. After bars, crazy shit, lines on toilet tanks.. I had to go. Sure I smoke a bit. Helps me with my stomach. Surly helps me getting through back surgery. I know from experience, drinking is much worse for you. And for everyone around you. I know it was for me, divorced prob 10 years now...

[polywideblock]

i'v done s1, L3-L4, L4-L5 and seriosly haven been near a pain killer in years

[Steve P.]

PATRONUS and POLYWIDEBLOCK. I am also fused. A few surgeries before the fusion that did not work. Actually 1 month apart.. (I was suicidal). Then 4 years ago I was fused from L3 to S1. I still walk, but too much pain for a car show anymore..
It's amazing how many of us are out there!!



I do NOT smoke now and have not in more years than I can remember. I did in school and shortly after. Again after I got out of the Navy, but not much. It really did help with my stomach and I even had a commander in the service tell me it was a shame pot was not legal as he knew back then it was good to calm acid and other stomach and bowel issues.. I had a hole in my stomach when I was in.. The military blamed my job. I think it was that Mexican food and beer I was eating and drinking when we were in port!!

[polywideblock]

I'm not fused ,i walked away when they showed me the large stainless screws they were going to use( 1979). I've got to watch what/how i pick things up but all in all its all good

[Steve P.]

PM SENT>>>>>>>>>>>> .........

[Steve P.]

Yeah, they ditched STAINLESS and went to TITANIUM now.. I have a hardware store in titanium in my back... When I die I want ti all removed and melted down and worked into a kickstand for my grandson's bike. lol...

[polywideblock]

I've heard so many horror stories over the years makes me pretty leery but I'll have to look in to it   

[Tilar]

on the subject of overdosing on pot the result(know in the smoking circles as "greening out") you fall asleep!period. what happens afterwards is up to your friends, but shaved eyebrows , or someone "colouring" in your face with a sharpie is about as bad as it gets .

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h177/Wolian/804162013_zpsf2fbcbbb.jpg

[polywideblock]

         a few over zealous people in every crowd

[Chad L. Magee]

on the subject of overdosing on pot the result(know in the smoking circles as "greening out") you fall asleep!period. what happens afterwards is up to your friends, but shaved eyebrows , or someone "colouring" in your face with a sharpie is about as bad as it gets .not even a "hangover" afterwards . like I've said before i didn't start smoking till i was 20 ,no one made me  i waited for a couple of years and let everyone else be the guinea pig,made an informed choice and never looked back .so much better than booz ,no dehydration no hangover its all a big plus.         

Wrong, it can still potentially kill someone if they have a medical condition and the drug interfers with some of their functions as it reacts with their brain.  Just because you fall asleep does not mean everybody does when they take the drug.  Not everyone reacts the same.  My nephew became extremely agressive every time he took dope, and yes, it was only dope....

[Chad L. Magee]

Steve P. - I am paying attention to the problem, but I see it in a much different way than you do....

[bull]

I think a lot of this nonsense could be negated if drug companies would make decent products instead of the overpriced, side-effects laden crap they make now.

[polywideblock]

wish a few more scientists would put their efforts to that   

[Mike DC]

Big corporations are sociopaths.  They won't even do what is best for themselves in the long term without being forced by regulations, let alone what is best for anyone else. 



 

 

[Chad L. Magee]

wish a few more scientists would put their efforts to that   

I am not a pharmacutical chemist, but have good friends (bioanalytical chemists) that are in that field.  The problem is that they do not get to pick the project, nor how it gets done, only that it gets done in a certain amount of time or not.  The upper administration (usually non-chemists) is the ones that usually make the real decisions that can cause problems that you feel with prescription drugs.  (ie. money made over cures made)....

[Chad L. Magee]

I think a lot of this nonsense could be negated if drug companies would make decent products instead of the overpriced, side-effects laden crap they make now.

The problem is that the drug companies are in business to make a profiet, just like any other business that is in it for $.  Yes, they should make the best products that they can, but some will cut corners to save a few $ and that is when the problems begin.  Also, the side effects are a bit of a crap shoot, as not all of them can be found with just a few tests, which delays the drug from being released.  If you put out only drugs without any side effects, then the medicine cabinet would be awfuly bare.  Even aspirin has some side effects occationally...

Would you risk putting in billions of $ in R&D and then risk losing your finicial a#$ if a drug failed to make it through the testing stage?  How would you deal with owning a good patent, only to have other foreign companies steal your product by means of international laws that do not protect your work?  That is what they do on a regular basis.  There are no guarentees of sucess in that field...