Wow, Someone is getting bold

[Patronus]

I figure I better keep smokin' cause otherwise Im just gonna make you all look like shit. My shits tight. My car took 2 years, on to another, and even yet another.. While you all sit around plating golden control arms Im knocking it out. Care to step in the ring?

[Chad L. Magee]

anyone who drinks and or smokes cigg cant talk crap 

I will step up to the plate with this: I do not take any alcohol or tobacco into my system.  The only drugs that I occationally take are 100 mg aspirin and a weak generic version of Peptobismol.  That is it, even when the medical doctor orders it, I override him almost every time.  I do not drink coffee, nor take any "healthy" additives either.  If you want to know the fomula to the fountain of youth, talk to me.....

[polywideblock]

so what do you do for fun? ride the roller coaster

[Chad L. Magee]

so what do you do for fun? ride the roller coaster

I am a chemist, so chemical research is my fun.....

[polywideblock]

so we have a least two things in common a love of mopars and we love our jobs     ,I'm in live theatre(backstage)

[polywideblock]

some smoke because they want to ,no excuses. just like your rum ,what you do at the end of the day  in your own home is your bussines. not on the road, not at work, not at school, but in your own space relaxing

[Steve P.]

WOW!!!!  It is really incredible how many chemists and medical doctors we have here.. I am shocked at SKIP as he obviously knows all about it, yet I have not seen any of his papers in any medical reviews. Maybe they are coming.

I have read pages of peoples thoughts and ideas about pot. I have also read an awful lot on it and spoken with many REAL DOCTORS about it and though some are right, there are stoners out there and it doesn't help everyone or every type of cancer, it damn sure helps many that have CANCER and MS and INTESTINAL ISSUES and many other medical issues.

I will give you a very personal for instance.. People with MS are not only feeling less pain smoking pot, but the MS is slowed to a point that the pain does not increase.. MS does increase to a point where most want to kill themselves... It has also proven to allow some people to regain what is called MYLAR.. Mylar is to a nerve what insulation is to a wire. Without the mylar coating people like my wife live a very tough life of pain.. As she is already crippled by this disease and we have personal proof that pot IS working for her, I will absolutely stand up and fight for her right to be helped and possibly healed..

Another friend had stomach cancer. Most cut out they thought. Many surgeries later he has very little stomach left and without pot he would be living in the hospital on a machine and feeding through his arm. With the pot he was able to eat and keep his 3 spoonfuls of anything he tried to eat down in his stomach without throwing it back up.. He was also able to go back to his job. Pay for his house and watch his twin girls grow up...

It has also been proven to help people with anxiety issues and many other things. Yes even including glaucoma.

As far as it NOT helping one person with one problem, guess what. That is very typical of all medicines. Ask any doctor.

As far as it's affect on the public at large, What would you like to compare it with?? How about the hydrocodone I take every single day just to be able to move myself around? Do you have any clue how many MILLIONS or TENS OF MILLIONS of people are on it?? And most of them are daily drivers.. BUT HEY, that is one of the BIG BUZZWORDS  that the cops are looking for because of the STONERS using it to get AFU... Well here's a fact for you.. I have taken 6-8 750's per day at different times and I never GET HIGH from them.. The doctors explained that to me as the drugs and our bodies working together. Somehow the drug goes to where it is needed to remove the pain. Still, whatever, I have never been HIGH from them. I have yet to hear of anyone killed due to being STONED on pot. It is not a GATEWAY DRUG. It never made me want to jump off a bridge or run my car into a tree or rape anyone or any of the crappy things you here about BOOZE... OOOOOPS!!!! Yup. I said it..... Show of hands.. How many of you have tapped a few bottles and drove home?? How many drink a few working on your cars? COME ON!!!!!!

Simply put, pot has some great uses. Rope is not one.. That is HEMP and there is no better rope. Ask any sailor...

I realize this is OFF TOPIC and a place to talk about, well, shit.. I just wish more people here would take into consideration what they are talking about and what it really means to others..  I know some have brothers or sisters that are POT HEADS or so you think.. Maybe they are just lazy. Maybe they can't or won't look for a job when you think they should. Maybe it is NOT the pot. Maybe it is just what THEY CHOSE.... Like your beer or booze...  Or the color you painted your car.

Sorry for the rant, but now and then I feel like it is my turn.

[polywideblock]

very well put     ,  you forgot giving appetites back to chemo patients and other conditions where the appetite is suppressed .

[Tilar]

very well put     ,  you forgot giving appetites back to chemo patients and other conditions where the appetite is suppressed .

I know different types of chemo have different side effects, but at one point I was getting 10 chemo treatments a month. 3 six hour days one week, 2 three hour days the next and then back to the six hour treatments. Trust me you don't want an appetite with that crap. Everything from a snickers bar to a t-bone steak all taste like saw dust. Nothing stayed down very long and I sure as hell didn't want anything to make me hungry.

[Chad L. Magee]

WOW!!!!  It is really incredible how many chemists and medical doctors we have here.. I am shocked at SKIP as he obviously knows all about it, yet I have not seen any of his papers in any medical reviews. Maybe they are coming.
I have read pages of peoples thoughts and ideas about pot. I have also read an awful lot on it and spoken with many REAL DOCTORS about it and though some are right, there are stoners out there and it doesn't help everyone or every type of cancer, it damn sure helps many that have CANCER and MS and INTESTINAL ISSUES and many other medical issues.

SteveP. - It seems that you do not believe I am a real chemist.  If you want proof, I will give that to you.  If you go on to the University of Missouri website, you can download my PhD thesis from 2008 as it is on there.  It is titled " The Synthesis and Characterization of 1,1'-Disubstituted Ferrocene Imine Schiff Base Ligand Systems for use as Potential Environmentail Heavy Metal Cationic Sensors".  It is roughly 180 pages long, plus 200 more supporting data pages in the abstract.  I could have published three reseach papers on my results, but decided to hold off as I wanted to incorporate them into another project that is on-going.   I may not be a medical doctor, but I am a chemical one.....

[Steve P.]

Chad, I was being very broad in my statement. for the most part I made this statement because it is very important to me that people understand that not everything is so black and white. What works for you may not work for me. What I lacked to add was philosophers. My point was that everyone that wants to legalize pot is NOT a jerk, bum, useless shit or any other rotten thing people say.

I actually do not recall what you had to say about it or if you did! Obviously you must have made comment or you would not have came back with this. I apologize if I offended you.  At the same time I would also have to deduct that you do not agree with my statements and if that is true I must call you out as I know this to be working for my own wife and I have known a few others that pot worked for.

There are many reasons to decriminalize pot and hemp. The reason they were made illegal is a scam right from the beginning. Just as BOOZE was. I am not here to go down that road. I AM here to say from the point of view of someone that sees a living difference that pot can and does help people with many issues.

[Chad L. Magee]

Steve P. - Sorry, I misinterpreted what you were saying then.  My bad.   The medicinal uses for it are good when used properly, but there is also a darker side to it too.  [The same can be said of morphine and other drugs.]  If it is just being used for medicinal purposes for people who are genuinely sick, I have no problem with it being legalized for that usage.  However, I have seen the personal concenquences of letting people take it as a "fun" drug within my own family tree.  It is not as innoculaus as some people make it out to be.  It does change the brain chemistry of users over time, reguardless of what form you take in because of the high THC content.  If the plants harvested were THC-restricted down to the natural level (like back in the 60s), less of this would occur.....

[skip68]

WOW!!!!  It is really incredible how many chemists and medical doctors we have here.. I am shocked at SKIP as he obviously knows all about it, yet I have not seen any of his papers in any medical reviews. Maybe they are coming.

      Seriously Steve?        I have never had a problem with it being used for medical reasons at all.     I never claimed to be a expert or doctor.  I never said it has no medical benefits....  I'm just saying for the most part it should be for those that need it for medical reasons.  Not for the guy that is looking for an excuse to get stoned by claiming it's medical.   I'm not talking about guys like you Steve so don't take it personal big daddy.        

some smoke because they want to ,no excuses. just like your rum ,what you do at the end of the day  in your own home is your bussines. not on the road, not at work, not at school, but in your own space relaxing

   I've got friends like you Poly that use it just like you said (like a rum & coke) and that's fine with me.  They don't abuse it and don't do it in my house.  If everybody that used it was responsible with it like them or you then to me it's not that big of a deal.   Steve is right that I'm no expert and maybe they should legalize it and see how it goes for a year or two.      I just don't see how the Government thinks it can regulate it or make lots of money from it.  Rum or other alcoholic drinks are pretty easy because not everybody can make it nor is it worth it for the most part.   Marijuana is a plant that anybody can grow so why would you buy it like beer or rum when you can grow your own?       Maybe they will make it legal to buy but not legal to grow.....      

[Steve P.]

Ok, I have to ask. WHAT is the difference between someone drinking a few beers or some wine or hard liquor and smoking a joint? In my mind there is no difference. ZERO. You have no issue with someone drinking a rum and coke or beer or wine!!  Why pot? Do people abuse it? Of course.. Did you ever SPEED in your car or do a massive burnout somewhere that you KNEW was disturbing someone else's peace?  Eat too much. Eat stuff you KNOW is bad for you but tastes sooooo goooood? How about too much time in the sun?   There are many levels of doing everything and yes, some go overboard for OTHERS acceptance. Is it all?? Is drinking beer, liquor and wine legal? WHY not pot? Why is what I do with my life anyone else's business??

No one cares that I take a ton of pain killers and the doctor has put on the script "AS NEEDED". That AS NEEDED is determined BY ME!!!! You take aspirin and go to the bathroom AS NEEDED. No laws or jails or doctors or people on web sites tell you when to tape an aspirin or use the can. Drink a beer or have sex. WHY does anyone have trouble with what others do in their private lives???

And Skip. I mentioned you because of all people I thought would be on the side of human rights it would have been you... Maybe you should reread some of your statements if you think I am being harsh...

Oh yeah. As to growing it. Yes. I agree people should be able to grow it as well.. I use to grow my own tomatoes and also had fruit trees. No laws against them and no special taxes either.. That was when I could bend and spend time taking care of trees and plants.. Today I cannot. And many others also will not bother to grow on their own as long as they know they can buy it and it is not stepped on with garbage... This is today's (CORNER POT). Who the hell knows what this batch is stepped on with or how many times....  The same goes for beer and wine.. Growing up close to (LITTLE ITALY) in Upstate NY. I made LOTTTTTTS of wine.. I knew people that had basements FULL of their own press.... These people still do. My brother in law makes his own beer. I also know of a few on this very board that make and drink MOONSHINE!!!  WOW,,, what criminals!!!!

I am pissed because of the attitude against it without, (IN MOST CASES), any evidence to show it any different than any other drug or drink grown or on the market... This is a drug that can help my wife live a better life. It can take my pain level way down. It can help millions of others and HAS BEEN PROVEN TO DO JUST THAT!!!  If a blind person could see again or for the first time ever just by having someone piss in their ear, you can bet they would not only beg for it but that I would volunteer to help them get what was needed....
   

[F8-4life]

Its entire history in the U.S going back to the 1920's is riddled with nonsense,BS, and lies and injustice.
So I guess after 70 years of the gov. telling the public its a harmful "drug".... I guess it then effectivly becomes one in the public veiw, regardless of the actuallity of the plant (both pros and cons).  The prob is the people not the substance.

Its not about one camp or the other, its more about just not spreading underserved nonsense.

Also as with anything, ya got no right to knock it till you tried it 

[skip68]

OK, I just went over my post and I stand by them other than the percentage numbers of the people that want it legal "for medical reasons".   As harsh as I may sound on this subject I am only referring to the abusers.   I do agree that it's the same as rum, pain pills or any other type of narcotic that can have effects.  

 Now, I'll spell out EXACTLY why I feel it should NOT be legal for anyone other than true medical need people.......

   There will be no way of keeping it out of the hands of kids under 21.   The ones that do it can get it anyway.  But with it legal and more access I fear we will see a dramatic rise in kids under the influene because anybody can grow it without having to hide it anymore.  It would be easier than getting beer when it's in your backyard.   I guess that's my biggest beef is the amount of access to under age folks.  

I don't have real numbers and percentages on the effects from pot or booze but "LIKE I SAID BEFORE" I think booze and ciggs are far worse than pot for your body.  Then again, I'm no expert.    

Again, I'm not in any way shape or form saying medical needs people should not have it.  

  Steve, you got me thinking about pain pills......
         I did take pain meds for my back and it was Doctor prescribed....So if a Doctor prescribes med pot because it does the same thing as the pills then I think that's fine and no different.  

      I feel it should only be legal for those with a medical priscription unless it could be controlled.  I feel it would be a mistake to have it in every back yard in America.  BUT, that's just my       

Maybe part of it is lack of info and stereotyping from guys like me...    

[JB400]

Only real way to do it is to make it legal, but illegal to grow without a license and some sort of stamp or something to prove that its legally grown.  Works for alcohol to an extent.

[skip68]

I agree.   Maybe the guys that are for it being legalized can show us some numbers and ideas on how to keep it controlled.   I know I'm not accurate 100 percent so educate me.

[69finder]

Pot is basically legal here in Canada (it's $100 fine if you get caught with it, most cops will probably just throw it on the ground) as long as you don't have a kilo of it.  We have not gone to hell, all the kids don't smoke it, and trust me, things are juusst fine here.  Putting people in jail (3 strikes) over MJ is pretty dumb.

PS Never smoked it in my life, just don't like how many rules and regulations we have nowadays.

[polywideblock]

not calling for it to be legalised ,to much govn.bureaucracy . just want it to be decriminalised(on the spot fine like speeding ticket) so you don't go to jail   for smoking a joint             even better would be police officers discretion,  cops over here are just as likely to tip it down roadside drain as bust you for possesion/smoking


                                 but just think if everyone that smoked could legally grow ONE plant there would be no dealers on the corner etc no demand = dealers out of work

[Fred]

not calling for it to be legalised ,to much govn.bureaucracy . just want it to be decriminalised(on the spot fine like speeding ticket) so you don't go to jail   for smoking a joint             even better would be police officers discretion,  cops over here are just as likely to tip it down roadside drain as bust you for possesion/smoking


                                 but just think if everyone that smoked could legally grow ONE plant there would be no dealers on the corner etc no demand = dealers out of work

The thing is, one will lead to two then three etc.  as one of anything is never enough. People in general can't help themsleves. You've heard the expression "Give a woman an inch and she'll park a car in it" Well, that pretty much applies to the human race in general. People are always ready to take advantage.

[F8-4life]

It is already decriminalized here in ohio, probably gonna be legal within 5 or so more years. Lots are pushing for it.
I think its like $150 fine for under X amount of grams.

[polywideblock]

that's exactly what I'm talking about  , doesn't tie up  courtrooms jails etc,  no criminal record .still keeps the moral minority happy, its a win -win situation

[Steve P.]

Once again the Canadians are much further advanced than we are. 

I can think of a handful of people that I know personally that smoke pot.

1). Has some disease I cannot pronounce and shares most of the same stuff with MS.. She is a 62 year old woman that is very frail and full of life, but she can hardly walk from the debilitation of this disease. Before she started smoking pot she could not walk from her bed to the bathroom without someone basically carrying her. After months of smoking pot, (about 4 bowls per day), she is able to walk and drive again. She looks like she is always drunk due to her nerves in her legs and back and lack of muscle in her legs, but she can get around... She is more than 4 years now smoking pot. She has not gone to hell or sent anyone there. Has not had an accident. Personal or vehicular. Still as sharp as a tac and is now able to watch her grand kids a few days per week.

2) My wife. Takes prescribed pills and it is helping tremendously. The problem with pills is you cannot take a hit and set it down.. You have to take the entire pill and sometimes the pills are too much. They have to be kept refrigerated at all times and they cost about $400.00 per month until we hit the doughnut hole. Then we are screwed for monster money. (ASK ME AGAIN ABOUT GROWING A PLANT ON MY 1/2 ACRE)..  I explained all the good it does my wife earlier.

3). Another friend. 57 year old woman who has been smoking pot since she was 13-14 years old.. She is the woman that worked on my back and has my standing up straight.. (long story). She stays with us often on weekends, so she smokes here in our garage. She lights up a funny looking thing she calls a (1 hitter) and then sets it in the ash tray. About 15 minutes later or so she will hit it again..  She had to quit for a job a few years back. Shortly after she quit she started having bad issues with joints in her wrists and hands and her shoulders. She has been a masseuse for many years and actually worked in a hospital OR working kinks out of doctors backs while in surgery.. ( Yes, she is very good).. So off to the doctor with all kinds of pain.. Doctor blames years of massage for her trouble.. Tests, x rays, the works. Doc says the build up looks like it is old and wants to know all drugs she has been on over the past 5 years or so.. She tells him: only antihistamines for her terrible allergies. He looks her in the eye and says, (THAT IS IT) and (THIS IS OFF THE RECORD)... She says ok, I smoke a little pot.. He looks at her images again and says: Why did you stop and I think you now what you need to do!!!!  She worked till getting laid off. Started smoking again and her pain level is again very tolerable..  Has been smoking since her teens and is now 57. She has never tried any other drugs other than prescription. No slippery slope there either..   

4). 31-2 year old woman and her 47 year old hubby.. BOTH SMOKE ALL DAY LONG. Both have since early teens. She dances and is a work out instructor and he owns 2 businesses. One he started and put his 3 sons in. The other he works and has 3-4 employees. He installs windows and hurricane shutters  houses.  They say the same about joint pain and that SEX SUCKS without it!!!!

5). My wife's DOCTOR. (Pain Specialist). She was diagnosed many years ago with cancer. I don't remember the type, but she was not expected to live.. I do not have all the details, but know she is big on 2 things.. Juicing vegetables and SMOKING POT!!!!! She even juices POT!!! She has been back to work full time for at least 2 years now and just won some kind of award from the medical field...

These are just people I know personally.. None of them are stupid or bad people or rob houses for their (FIX). None of them have hurt themselves or anyone else. None of them have gone to hell or moved on to anything stronger... I have asked every one of them.. Matter of fact, Mary's doctor is 1 of 7 on a panel here in Florida trying to legalize pot... 2 of those doctors openly smoke pot every day and one told the other to start juicing pot to help with the cancer..  FACT: Cancer cannot live in an oxygenated space.. That means blood or fat or muscle. Both juicing and smoking pot is her cure.... PS. Other countries are WAY ahead of us in this as well....

[Tilar]

not calling for it to be legalised ,to much govn.bureaucracy . just want it to be decriminalised(on the spot fine like speeding ticket) so you don't go to jail   for smoking a joint             even better would be police officers discretion,  cops over here are just as likely to tip it down roadside drain as bust you for possesion/smoking


                                 but just think if everyone that smoked could legally grow ONE plant there would be no dealers on the corner etc no demand = dealers out of work

And right there is just part of the problem as I see it... The purpose of them legalizing it is "supposed to be" for medical reasons, and now everyone thinks they need to be able to grow it in their back yard.  All that would end up happening is a bunch of police calls to report missing pot plants. Putting the dealers out of work would be a benefit, probably end up with more of them hanging around schools like they used to trying to sell the the kiddies.

Just think, if they decriminalized it here in Ohio, you could grow and smoke pot, but if you go out and smoke the tires on your car here in Ohio they can take your car, Not impound it, just flat out take it from you.  Another one is the morning after pill. They want to do away with the age restriction so any child can get them without their parents knowing about it, but they still have to have a permission slip signed by the parent to go on a school field trip.  The list of foolish laws just keep coming.