Wow, Someone is getting bold

[flyinlow]

If legal ,the government could tax drugs heavily and generate revenue.....

If that were possible they would have been doing that all along, and if they try that route I'll bet pot will go back to the old nickle and dime bags and sold in the alley way and not in a pharmacy with taxes. Back to square one. 

o.k. enlighten me. How many joints does it take to get the same effect as a six pack of beer?  How much does that cost? What is the pot budget for the average user per year?

If the government bought it in bulk and sold FDA grade (safe) pot with a 25-50 % tax, you think it would cost more than buying from current illegal sources ?

Plus the savings in Police ,Court and Prison manpower.

[Tilar]

If legal ,the government could tax drugs heavily and generate revenue.....

If that were possible they would have been doing that all along, and if they try that route I'll bet pot will go back to the old nickle and dime bags and sold in the alley way and not in a pharmacy with taxes. Back to square one. 

o.k. enlighten me. How many joints does it take to get the same effect as a six pack of beer?  No idea, I havent smoked any in probably 20 years but the few times I did it didn't give me the same effect as any amount of beer. I could drink beer and rebuild a transmission... All pot did to me was give me the munchies and make me want to sit in my easy chair and sleep.

How much does that cost? What is the pot budget for the average user per year? 

If the government bought it in bulk and sold FDA grade (safe) pot with a 25-50 % tax, you think it would cost more than buying from current illegal sources ? FDA grade safe pot... That is a new one. If you go back to what I said above and the dealers sold it at lower prices to keep their customers it will definitley be cheaper to buy from the same sources they are now. Anytime you get the feds and pharmacists involved the price goes crazy and to add a 25 - 50% tax on top of that? I think you're as enlightened as I can get ya. 

[Mike DC]

FDA grade safe pot... That is a new one. If you go back to what I said above and the dealers sold it at lower prices to keep their customers it will definitley be cheaper to buy from the same sources they are now. Anytime you get the feds and pharmacists involved the price goes crazy and to add a 25 - 50% tax on top of that? I think you're as enlightened as I can get ya.  Cheesy

Just like how the majority of America currently buys cigarettes, prescriptions, alcohol, etc, from small independent growers, right? 

In practice the vast majority of users of something always end up buying from the large corporate industry.  If the corporate product isn't cheaper in reality, then they will just manipulate the legal system & subsidizing programs to render their stuff cheaper artificially. 

[Chad L. Magee]

I have a win-win solution to this problem, but most will not like it as it takes a hard hand approach to the problem.  It can be legalized, but not before releasing an altered plant virus (tobacco mosic virus would be my choice) into the environment that would attack the THC production site of the plant, rendering it useless to get "high" on.  Unprotected plants would basically have a lower THC content than the traditional "ditch weed" that is found naturally in the midwestern USA.  Government labs would still have the THC producing versions under controlled laboratory conditions for proper research purposes.  The few plants that have the THC still in it would be government controlled (ie. by prescription), so that legit medical users could still get them when needed....

[polywideblock]

just what we need "government controlled" dope plants .how long before some dexter started the whole GM thing with the dope plants? NO THANK YOU.why does everybody jump up and down when the "government "takes control of things" yet it seems to be the first thought in some peoples head,"i  know lets let the government tell me what to do, when to do it, and how I'm allowed to do it when i do" great idea

[Chad L. Magee]

My other alternative is to release the virus without sustaining any of the plants in a controlled environment.  That would cut off any THC production naturally, so the only way you could get it legally would be through a lab.  The synthetic production process is still government controlled right now because THC is listed as a restricted use drug.  Either way, the effect would drop demand for a certain plant to near zero, unless you still want to make ropes, shirts, etc.....

For those who would legalize synthetic THC production:  Bath salts are designer versions of synthetically made THC derivatives and are not safe, nor legal to use, reguardless of what side of the arguement you are on.  If the wrong isomer of the THC is used, the effects are close to freezing your brain while you are still alive and there is no cure.  We already have enough people with brain dead issues in society to deal with as is....

[Old Moparz]

My other alternative is to release the virus without sustaining any of the plants in a controlled environment.  That would cut off any THC production naturally, so the only way you could get it legally would be through a lab.  The synthetic production process is still government controlled right now because THC is listed as a restricted use drug.  Either way, the effect would drop demand for a certain plant to near zero, unless you still want to make ropes, shirts, etc.....

For those who would legalize synthetic THC production:  Bath salts are designer versions of synthetically made THC derivatives and are not safe, nor legal to use, reguardless of what side of the arguement you are on.  If the wrong isomer of the THC is used, the effects are close to freezing your brain while you are still alive and there is no cure.  We already have enough people with brain dead issues in society to deal with as is....

You work for Monsanto?

[polywideblock]

My other alternative is to release the virus without sustaining any of the plants in a controlled environment.  That would cut off any THC production naturally, so the only way you could get it legally would be through a lab.  The synthetic production process is still government controlled right now because THC is listed as a restricted use drug.  Either way, the effect would drop demand for a certain plant to near zero, unless you still want to make ropes, shirts, etc.....

For those who would legalize synthetic THC production:  Bath salts are designer versions of synthetically made THC derivatives and are not safe, nor legal to use, reguardless of what side of the arguement you are on.  If the wrong isomer of the THC is used, the effects are close to freezing your brain while you are still alive and there is no cure.  We already have enough people with brain dead issues in society to deal with as is....

               so which brewery do you work for , why are you so against someone being able to grow their own ?       decriminalisation is the answer to the problem(dope) ,thinkhow many less people you'd have in your justice system
You work for Monsanto?

[Ram07]

Whats wrong with smokin' one every now and then?

[F8-4life]

Humans do a pretty good job of screwing everything up and complicating everying. Its a plant givin to use by forces far greater then any man-government. It has benifits, it has downsides. Are those downsides directly from the substants itself or a product of the users (people) to produce said drugs resuult? Someday the same gov. that says toking is  bad will also say driving your 69 charger is bad.  So why let someone else control your actions? For all the people against it...Ponder why you even have a negative veiw in the first place? If you have a solid answer then I salute you...Continue being sober

[Tilar]

My other alternative is to release the virus without sustaining any of the plants in a controlled environment.  That would cut off any THC production naturally, so the only way you could get it legally would be through a lab.  The synthetic production process is still government controlled right now because THC is listed as a restricted use drug.  Either way, the effect would drop demand for a certain plant to near zero, unless you still want to make ropes, shirts, etc.....

For those who would legalize synthetic THC production:  Bath salts are designer versions of synthetically made THC derivatives and are not safe, nor legal to use, reguardless of what side of the arguement you are on.  If the wrong isomer of the THC is used, the effects are close to freezing your brain while you are still alive and there is no cure.  We already have enough people with brain dead issues in society to deal with as is....

You work for Monsanto?

lol, holy crap everyone knows about Monsanto. 

[Tilar]

Whats wrong with smokin' one every now and then?

Honestly? I see nothing wrong with smokin' one every now and then, It's the ones that smoke a lot in a little while that want to make it legal by means of saying it's for medical reasons... Might as well legalize cocaine and meth while we're at it, I'm sure they get rid of any "pains" you might have.

[Chad L. Magee]

Humans do a pretty good job of screwing everything up and complicating everying. Its a plant givin to use by forces far greater then any man-government. It has benifits, it has downsides. Are those downsides directly from the substants itself or a product of the users (people) to produce said drugs resuult? Someday the same gov. that says toking is  bad will also say driving your 69 charger is bad.  So why let someone else control your actions? For all the people against it...Ponder why you even have a negative veiw in the first place? If you have a solid answer then I salute you...Continue being sober

Actually, I do have a solid reason why.  If you were just taking in natural plants, that would be one thing.  But, most dope plants have been modified to raise the THC levels to much more than what occurs in nature.  Some plants are as high as nearly 30% THC!  This was done intentially by man to increase the "high" effect from taking the drug and to make it more addictive.  That is why the drugs in the 1960s (mostly from natural sorces) does not equal the strength of those used today.  THC does do brain damage over time.  You can argue all you want, but I have seen the case evience for myself......

[Chad L. Magee]

My other alternative is to release the virus without sustaining any of the plants in a controlled environment.  That would cut off any THC production naturally, so the only way you could get it legally would be through a lab.  The synthetic production process is still government controlled right now because THC is listed as a restricted use drug.  Either way, the effect would drop demand for a certain plant to near zero, unless you still want to make ropes, shirts, etc.....

For those who would legalize synthetic THC production:  Bath salts are designer versions of synthetically made THC derivatives and are not safe, nor legal to use, reguardless of what side of the arguement you are on.  If the wrong isomer of the THC is used, the effects are close to freezing your brain while you are still alive and there is no cure.  We already have enough people with brain dead issues in society to deal with as is....

You work for Monsanto?

No, I am a professor.  My research projects are in a different realm than what they research in.  I have never had the interest to work for Monsanto, but am well aware of what they do......

[Chad L. Magee]

Whats wrong with smokin' one every now and then?

Honestly? I see nothing wrong with smokin' one every now and then, It's the ones that smoke a lot in a little while that want to make it legal by means of saying it's for medical reasons... Might as well legalize cocaine and meth while we're at it, I'm sure they get rid of any "pains" you might have.

The original Dr. Feelgood (Sigmond Freud) comes to mind as that was what he was doing in the mid-1800s to his patients when he gave them cocaine.....

[Chad L. Magee]

My other alternative is to release the virus without sustaining any of the plants in a controlled environment.  That would cut off any THC production naturally, so the only way you could get it legally would be through a lab.  The synthetic production process is still government controlled right now because THC is listed as a restricted use drug.  Either way, the effect would drop demand for a certain plant to near zero, unless you still want to make ropes, shirts, etc.....

For those who would legalize synthetic THC production:  Bath salts are designer versions of synthetically made THC derivatives and are not safe, nor legal to use, reguardless of what side of the arguement you are on.  If the wrong isomer of the THC is used, the effects are close to freezing your brain while you are still alive and there is no cure.  We already have enough people with brain dead issues in society to deal with as is....

               so which brewery do you work for , why are you so against someone being able to grow their own ?       decriminalisation is the answer to the problem(dope) ,thinkhow many less people you'd have in your justice system
You work for Monsanto?

Actually, it would be a form of decriminalization, as the naturally grown plants would be lacking the THC, so you could do whatever you wanted with it then.....

[skip68]

Whats wrong with smokin' one every now and then?

Honestly? I see nothing wrong with smokin' one every now and then, It's the ones that smoke a lot in a little while that want to make it legal by means of saying it's for medical reasons... Might as well legalize cocaine and meth while we're at it, I'm sure they get rid of any "pains" you might have.

   

[polywideblock]

just think if they legalised crack ,meth, heroin etc and  you sat back and waited a month all that would be left would be drunks and stoners.    when was the last time you saw a violent stoner?

[Fred]

The Mrs. has a violet stone in one of her rings.    It's an amethyst

[polywideblock]

 

[Mike DC]

 
If we try to semi-control weed by making it "illegal" but readily issuing a lot of prescriptions for it, it just means we are legalizing it for the rich & middle classes and keeping it illegal for everyone below that income level.  And when the drug in question is so commonplace & mildly damaging to society at large, yet it gets punished so severely . . .

. . . Let's not kid ourselves about what we are really doing and why.  This is just another way to criminally punish people for being poor.   

We don't say that is what we are doing. 
We don't even consciously think that is what we are doing. 
But that is exactly what we are setting up the system to do. 

[Chad L. Magee]

just think if they legalised crack ,meth, heroin etc and  you sat back and waited a month all that would be left would be drunks and stoners.    when was the last time you saw a violent stoner?

Actually, I have see one (a relative) who tried to kill his family members over it during an intervention on his dope use.  There is a reason why it is called dope, it makes you dumb over time.  I have watched this person over the years go from someone who was quite bright in middle school (would have been an engineer based on his skills) to dumber than a box of rocks (the person is now 22) and it was the dope that did this.  This has been a big disappointment, as I did what I could do at the time and still failed.....

If you want to become dumb legally, there are so many other ways to do so......

[skip68]

Yep!   I have known a few that I grew up with that have just gotten dumber.      One of my younger brothers went through a few years smoking pot years ago.    He become frickin useless.   He got his head right and has been doing very well for the last 10+ years.   The other problem with it was the type of people he was around.   

[polywideblock]

so this whole hating dope thing is the result of one experience! thought you professor types were slow and methodical about how you develop theories? believe it or not some folks don't smoke 18 cones every time they have a smoke some just have a couple to relax at the END of the day just like you having a couple of beers  well this dumb dope user (30 years) has to go off to the job I've had for 25 years 8 hours a day 7 days a week first in the building last to leave, in charge of security and OHS etc .jee now what was i going to do today again? doh

[Tilar]

It's more than the result of one experience, It's many people with at least one. Like I said earlier about my older sister, with all the crap she put through her body, she has the mentality of a coat rack. They always smoked a lot of pot.

I guess if you look at it from the governments standpoint, keep the masses stoned and they won't want to take up arms against you when you take everything away from them. Not the way I was brought up to live.